Site Suggestions

Tuesday January 8th, 2002

A few of you have asked for us to post a news item taking your suggestions for the site, so here it is. Tell us all your ideas for what we can do to improve the site. Anything you want we'll think about, but try to keep it realistic.

Just to keep you updated, one of the things we're planning on working on is getting the ChromeZone up again, if we can find some volunteer editors to help organize themes. If you're interested, please email me and I'll get back to you sometime this week.

UPDATE! Right now we're working on dumping all the tables and other old HTML within the site to both show off Mozilla's skills, and to get our file sizes smaller. If you're using Communicator to view the site, you'll notice everything looking pretty ugly, thanks to the poor CSS support it offers. If you're using IE, it'll look a bit better, but thanks to IE's lacking CSS2 support, the sidebar will show up incorrectly. We've completely redone the homepage and talkback code, and we'll be working on the forums next.

UPDATE 2! We discovered Google's great "Search Site" feature, and have added it. Right now it has most areas of the site indexed except news item talkback pages. It will start indexing talkback today, and will hopefully add all of the old items, in addition to picking up the new ones.

UPDATE 3! We've been working hard to get as many of your suggestions as possible implemented, and we encourage you to continue the feedback. You can check this article's responses for what items we have fixed, or are working on.

#130 Re: I don't get it

by todd2002

Monday January 14th, 2002 7:09 PM

You are replying to this message

> I dont know where the comments about Mozillas usability not being up-to-par is about.

Well, one of those places those comments came from is me, and Ill tell ya what its about right now if you will take a moment to remove your sun glasses.

> As far as I am concerned Mozillas usability surpassed Netscape 4.x at .94.

That is not necessarily correct. Whilst Mozilla can properly render a variety of web documents written for todays latest standards, a large number of sites are still optimized for IE and NS4 via browser detection that in many cases causes problems for Mozilla. That problem, in and of itself, however, will go away in time but there is another element that is being ignored here that goes beyond that of simply rendering a web page..... and that is the stability, reliability and performance of the product in question. Mozilla still suffers greatly here. The product is not complete and is still prone to severe regressions not limited to broken/quirky features, stability issues, performance issues, memory leaks, and even data loss. Not to mention the hardware requirements Mozilla demands relative to other browsers. I wont start to delve in what a lousy choice Mozilla is right now for the most common of users: The average Joe/Jane whom hardly know zilch about computers yet just want to get around the web. The kind of folks that view the PC as a tool and nothing more. You know... the kinds of folks that dont hyperventilate over an icon or the appropriateness of an HTML tag.

So, in some ways saying that Moz .94 started to surpass NS4 in usability is just riff-ruff on the surface. On the same token, NS4 is a dead stick compared to IE5+ usage. As far as Opera goes, it is weak in the DOM department but it can currently handle far more sites than NS4 can and probably even more than Mozilla can: Better DHTML than Mozilla? No. Better overall page rendering with what is out there right now? I wouldnt be surprised.