Tuesday January 8th, 2002
A few of you have asked for us to post a news item taking your suggestions for the site, so here it is. Tell us all your ideas for what we can do to improve the site. Anything you want we'll think about, but try to keep it realistic.
Just to keep you updated, one of the things we're planning on working on is getting the ChromeZone up again, if we can find some volunteer editors to help organize themes. If you're interested, please email me and I'll get back to you sometime this week.
UPDATE! Right now we're working on dumping all the tables and other old HTML within the site to both show off Mozilla's skills, and to get our file sizes smaller. If you're using Communicator to view the site, you'll notice everything looking pretty ugly, thanks to the poor CSS support it offers. If you're using IE, it'll look a bit better, but thanks to IE's lacking CSS2 support, the sidebar will show up incorrectly. We've completely redone the homepage and talkback code, and we'll be working on the forums next.
UPDATE 2! We discovered Google's great "Search Site" feature, and have added it. Right now it has most areas of the site indexed except news item talkback pages. It will start indexing talkback today, and will hopefully add all of the old items, in addition to picking up the new ones.
UPDATE 3! We've been working hard to get as many of your suggestions as possible implemented, and we encourage you to continue the feedback. You can check this article's responses for what items we have fixed, or are working on.
#121 Surprising stats.
Monday January 14th, 2002 10:22 AM
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You seem to be equating "bloated as hell" with "working in as many browsers as possible". I agree that Mozillazine was bloated, but always found it unnecessary. I don't believe you have to use completely new techniques to trim the bloat. Yahoo and google have been doing it for years with basic and portable HTML. Before the table layout/invisible gif trick, HTML was quite simple. It's nice that moving to CSS layout has similar benefits, but careful consideration can make this more compatible with older browsers, which still being cool in Mozilla.
That said, Netscape 4 now looks much nicer than when I first posted. I'm getting reasonable headers and simple layout. And it seems to load fairly quickly too (perhaps a benefit of getting rid of the tables?) so I wouldn't worry too much. If the simple text only version is going to be fully functional, that would be fine, but if it is going to be otherwise degraded from what's available with the full site, I'd suggest that's a bad choice.
It's still be very nice to add the wrap attribute for N4 so that posting in talkback doesn't scroll to the right forever.
10% is all you get for non-Mozilla users? I am completely and utterly shocked. What kind of stats do you have on Operating System platform? Mostly windows like other sites?