Hosting Update

Thursday December 20th, 2001

We're getting close. After taking a really good look at our logs, we've discovered that we're pushing a lot more down the pipe than any of us realized. The site is at the point where our small ISP can no longer handle the load. We want to thank our current ISP, LocalWeb, for being so gracious in letting us bog down their servers for as long as we have.

The donations so far have been nothing short of amazing. We are deeply in our readers debts, and work working to repay that debt with a site that works. We are getting close to having enough money to allow us to find a good host that can accommodate our growth over the next year. As far as picking that host, we have a couple pretty serious offers, and others who are still thinking about it. Here again, the generosity of folks is amazing, you wouldn't believe how many people have a friend or a relative that works at an ISP.

I'm hoping that we can get the site moved by early January, and get back to regular life around here as soon as possible. We thank you again for all your support, and we'll keep you posted as to what's going on.


#1 contact me

by cobar

Thursday December 20th, 2001 1:17 PM

Send me an email at and let me know how much bandwidth you guys need. We don't have any servers that could handle a site this size, but if you could provide a rackmount server, we might be able to cut you guys a deal since I admin for an isp.

#2 Try iKestrel

by mike_hearn

Thursday December 20th, 2001 1:29 PM

Me and a friend have a site hosted here, they are pretty good. Not sure about prices, but I'd recommend checking them out, they can definately deal with the bandwidth (assuming 30gig/month). That seems a lot of bandwidth, have i got it right?

thanks -mike

#3 Netscape?

by Kovu

Thursday December 20th, 2001 2:04 PM

You'd think Netscape could pony up some server space for the site, but maybe you want to remain independent, which would make sense, I guess.


#4 I'll be happy to donate isp space - for a mirror

by nneul

Thursday December 20th, 2001 6:53 PM

If you make the site mirrorable for static data, and round-robin dns (i.e. transparent mirror), I'll be happy to provide a vhost, as would many other's I'm sure.

#5 I could help a bit

by rohrbold

Friday December 21st, 2001 12:52 AM

In my account at Germany I have 25 gig/month transfer volume with the best quality (check - always reachable. I can give you 20gigs! The only suboptimal thing is that I have just 200MB of hardrive there. Contact me if you would being interested.

#6 What exactly is a lot?

by TonyG

Friday December 21st, 2001 4:14 AM

If its not a secret, could you tell us what your monthly voulmes are? I also know of a few possible hosting options but the biggy is how much? How much b/w you using?

How much disk space you need?

#7 Donation alternatives?

by dan

Friday December 21st, 2001 6:41 AM

Do you have any alternative way to donate for people who can't or won't use PayPal? When I tried signing up for PayPal last year, they wouldn't validate my credit card and froze my account for a while with no good reason. Eventually they unfroze the account, but never did accept my credit cards so that the only way I could use the account would be to transfer money in from my bank account. But by then I had read enough horror stories about PayPal, which is widely known for arbitrarily and capriciously locking people out of their own accounts and requiring the navigation of a Kafkaesque bureaucracy to get your money back, all in the name of security, while letting real crooks and con artists run rampant anyway, that I had no desire to trust one cent of my money to those people. I'll contribute to Mozillazine if you provide some method of doing so that doesn't involve giving any business or trust to those jerks.

#8 How to donate?

by evlg

Friday December 21st, 2001 11:52 AM

I cant find information on how to donate! How do we do it?

#9 Re: How to donate?

by joschi

Friday December 21st, 2001 12:01 PM

notice the big box at the top of the main page?

#12 Re: Re: How to donate?

by evlg

Friday December 21st, 2001 3:45 PM

Of course I see the big box, but that box does not give any clue as to how to contribute. So the question still stands, how does one contribute?

#13 Re: How to donate?

by joschi

Friday December 21st, 2001 3:52 PM

click the "Paypal Donate" button

#20 Re: Re: How to donate?

by darnell

Saturday December 22nd, 2001 9:46 PM

A non-PayPal option would be helpful. Many people have had problems getting their CC to work with PayPal and bankdrafts take forever. And some people simply do not like using Paypal anymore. See for more horror stories.

How about posting an address people can mail your a check to if they need a non-PayPal option?

#10 Are you gzipping your content?

by chainsaw

Friday December 21st, 2001 1:25 PM

Since your worst problem seems to be bandwidth, why not send compressed data to the visitors? You should be able to cut down your bandwidth usage by 75% or more.

#18 Re: Are you gzipping your content?

by flux

Saturday December 22nd, 2001 7:44 AM

cmd> GET /talkback.html?article=2111 HTTP/1.0 cmd> Host: cmd> text/html => talkback.html RequestDone Error = 0 StatusCode = 200 Received 29146 bytes hdr>HTTP/1.1 200 OK hdr>Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2001 14:39:33 GMT hdr>Server: Apache-ADTI/1.3.22 (Unix) mod_gzip/ mod_throttle/3.1.2 PHP/4.0.6 mod_ssl/2.8.5 OpenSSL/0.9.6b hdr>X-Powered-By: PHP/4.0.6 hdr>Connection: close hdr>Content-Type: text/html

#19 Re: Are you gzipping your content?

by rwc

Saturday December 22nd, 2001 8:36 AM

The answer is then \"no\", because there\'s no Content-Encoding: gzip header?

#11 VERIO is a good Host - try them

by peterlairo

Friday December 21st, 2001 2:36 PM

I have been using VERIO as my host (via a buddy of mine - sub-host) for the last 6 months and am very pleased with their service. It\'s reliable and their support is VERY responsive and professional.

You can go to or better, talk to my buddy Alex Kahl who will be glad and quick to respond to your questions.

Name: Alex Kahl e-mail: web:

Hope this helps, Peter Lairo

#14 Considered

by simpsons

Friday December 21st, 2001 5:08 PM


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#15 I can say two things!

by Cine

Friday December 21st, 2001 5:38 PM

mod_expire and mod_gzip. Combined they will probable save you 70-90% of all html transfers and images wil prob drop to about 50%! All while provinding faster pages for your viewers!

#16 Mozilla 0.9.7 is OUT!!!!

by darnell

Friday December 21st, 2001 6:22 PM

You can download it now from ;o) .

#17 Please put Asa's comments on the front page

by briansmith

Saturday December 22nd, 2001 2:19 AM

If you put Asa's latest build comment on the first page, I would usually only have to view one page one per day instead of two. I come here every single day to get Asa's build comments so that I know what builds are okay to download and what is new with each build.

Also, you might consider moving more of the formatting of the pages to the CSS page so that there is less to download each time I download a page (e.g. big FONT tags, nested tables, etc. can all be reduced with CSS). Even though they are GZIP-compressed before sending, doing this could reduce the page sizes even further.

#21 Mirrors?

by flacco

Saturday December 22nd, 2001 9:53 PM

Is it the Mozilla downloads causing the problem or is it page views?

Could it be as simple as distributing heavy-traffic items to a number of mirror sites and throttling access to the primary server?

#22 Re: Mirrors?

by briansmith

Saturday December 22nd, 2001 9:55 PM

The mozilla builds on the build bar are actually downloaded from

#23 OT: (location bar URL + Enter => new tab) == awful

by thomanski

Sunday December 23rd, 2001 7:14 PM

I noticed that entering a new URL in 0.9.6/7 always opens a new tab. I assume (and hope) this is a bug rather than a feature. Is it? I can't find it in bugzilla.

#24 Re: OT: (location bar URL + Enter => new tab) == a

by jsgremlin

Sunday December 23rd, 2001 7:22 PM

sounds like you have the pref "open tabs instead of windows for: Control + Enter in the URL bar." enabled. it's in Navigator > Tabbed Browsing. turn that off and you should be ok - that feature itself is still buggy last I checked.

#25 Duh. That was it, thanks!

by thomanski

Monday December 24th, 2001 5:58 AM

Merry Christmas.

#26 In the meantime

by ksosez

Monday December 24th, 2001 1:52 PM

MozillaNews is still up at look forward to seeing our friends back here.

#27 Bummer

by kryptolus

Thursday December 27th, 2001 2:31 PM

I guess mozillazine took the money and ran. =)

Site hasn't been updated in more than 8 days.

#28 Tanyel X 10.1

by Tanyel

Thursday December 27th, 2001 7:36 PM, while we are waiting for your site to be extricated, I think you should create a "news item" for people to post suggestions of ways to make the new MozillaZine better than the old one. That will keep the site active and decrease the chance of you losing viewers. If that does not work then I think you should label the entire site as "beta." Then they will wait up to three years for it to be ready.


by vignes

Tuesday December 16th, 2003 8:02 AM

I created a Hosting talk fourms.. you can post there all "Fraud, Abuse & Illegal Hostings" thank you