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#42 Experience

by SubtleRebel <>

Tuesday December 18th, 2001 9:20 AM

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>As for you, I'm getting more and more sure that the loudest advocates of the Mozilla open source process have never before been involved with shipping a large software project, and do not have the background or training to understand what they are seeing.

I have plenty of experience with large software projects. My background and training also enable me to understand that a large scale closed source projects are very different from a large scale open source project like Mozilla.

In most closed source projects, a set team of programmers is assigned to each component. They may build and test their components on a daily basis, but builds of the whole project are not typically done that often. When large projects builds are done, it is not unusual for whole components to be left out because those components are unstable or even completely non-functional due to recent code checkins. I have seen these incomplete builds only a few days before final canidate builds. Crashes and regressions caused by checking in new code happen with all large scale projects -- it is just more obvious with Mozilla because we have access to full builds after every code checkin.