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#30 Re: Re: Rating

by SubtleRebel <>

Monday December 17th, 2001 10:44 AM

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You indicate that your opinion of the progress of Mozilla was signifigantly influenced by discussions in the build bar forum. You draw the conclusion that "The instability appears to be more severe than I had previously realized..." by reading some posts in a forum that was created for the purpose of discussing stability/instability in the nightly builds.

It sounds as if you are basing your speculation on whatever "insight" you can derive from the forum rather than personally running the nightlies on a regular basis. Yet you seem to think that your analysis of Mozilla progress is somehow more accurate than people who are intimately involved with Mozilla on a daily basis.

Perhaps this lack of first hand experience explains why you constantly try to use bogus statistics and irrelevant buzz words to try to defend your position.

You have frequently suggested a need for root cause analysis, but you have never to my knowledge explained what you think it would accomplish. Root cause analysis of the Mozilla project would have to presume that there are flaws in the organization and development processes that are causing the alledged problems that you whine about. Considering the unique nature of the project and the resources available to it, I do not believe that these alledged problems are valid and therefore root cause analysis would be pointless. If you honestly think it would be beneficial, please explain what specific issues would be solved by root cause analysis.

BTW, nightly builds are part of the live debugging process and thus are not expected to be stable on a regular basis. In case you had not noticed, Mozilla is not structured like your typical development project. Although all code is tested before being checked in, Mozilla does not have the resources to exhaustive test of the code before before checking it in and thus we have the process whereby anyone who wants to help can test the daily builds. So what you are seeing in the build bar forum is a planned part of the debug process.