AOLTW Announces Sony Pact

Tuesday November 13th, 2001

Normally we wouldn't mention this, except there was a key quote that we thought should be highlighted in the press release:

* The joint development of an Internet browser designed for optimal performance, a consistent experience, and greater convenience on networked consumer electronic devices. Both companies envision not only employing the browser in future Sony products but also making it available to other consumer electronics manufacturers.
Could we soon see Mozilla on Sony devices like the Playstation or other pc based devices?

#49 Mozilla vs Opera-re:Embedability & Cross Platform

by JayeshSh <>

Saturday November 17th, 2001 8:43 AM

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Hello All,

The beginning of this discussion focused on Mozilla vs Opera. Here are my thoughts related to the embedability and cross-platform nature of both browsers:

Opera has made great strides with their "Project Magic" effort, started only in 1998, if I remember correctly. Opera is available for the following platforms: Windows, Linux, Solaris, MacOS (PPC and Carbon), Symbian, QNX, BeOS, OS/2. Of these operating systems, Symbian, QNX, Linux and BeOS have been used to power "Internet Devices" and Personal Digital Assitents. For a company of about 100 employees, the quality and cross-platform availability of Opera's products is astonishing. Most recently, Opera has been installed on Sharp's new Linux powered PDA. Of additional interest to Linux fans: as far as I know, Opera uses the Qt toolkit for their Linux version. Opera has developed a browser that is small, fast, available for many platforms, and standard's compliant. I think Opera's creators must be honored to know that their product is being compared with a project such as Mozilla, which is backed by thousands of employees, developers, and one of the largest companies in the world (AOL Time-Warner.) Regarding the latest 6.0 Beta release from Opera: I think there are some good new features, however, the browser is slower and less stable than before. I think it was released with the "beta" tag for good reason. For now, Opera 5.12 has all the features I need, and I have to yet to be convinced to use Opera 6 instead. Of course, Netscape 6.1 (Mozilla 0.9.2+) is my "default" / main browser.

Using Netscape 6.1 is incredibly satisfying: it's the browser I have always wanted. It is a beautiful creature, yet it has the strength and tenacity of a work-horse. It holds it's children gently within it's Kanga-pounch - the finally useful Sidebar. AOL Instant Messenger (AIM) is one of those children: it is amazing to see a "real" AIM version for Netscape, not a standard Windows AIM version, masquerading as "Netscape Instant Messenger", as in the past. If I am correct, this has been accomplished using XUL and its related technologies. This shows the stunning "extendability" of Mozilla, and proves that Mozilla is more than a program - It has earned the right to be called a "platform". Mozilla, like Opera, is available simultaneously for many platforms,and has been incorporated into some products like as Activestate's Komodo. But Opera has gained greater use and credibility in the "embedability" market, and Mozilla has yet to persuade a major PDA maker to use its browser. This does not in any way mean that Mozilla could not be used in other products/devices in the future. I think Mozilla has made tremendous progress recently, and will soar to even greater heights, and bluer skies in the future, with all of your support, of course. Case in point: I was looking at some screenshots of early (1998) versions of "NGLayout" / i.e. Gecko) on Looking at those bare,unaddorned grey NGLayout screens, with single "back" and "forward" buttons, I relized how far Mozilla has come - from a small project at Netscape, to a full fledged, "sixth generation" browser. Mozilla - you have come a long way, baby! All you Mozilla developers, testers and supporters: you rock! Mozilla skeptics, die-hard IE fans and general browser agnostics: prepare to have your socks knocked off with the Mozilla of the future!

The verdict on embedability, cross-platform compatibility and extendability: Opera wins for having won more people to embed their browser; Mozilla wins for cross-platform development and incredible extendability.