MozillaZine

What do you think?

Wednesday October 10th, 2001

Many in the community have been discussing what components nightly builds should include by default. We wanted to find out what you think? Are you happy to see the new Javascript Debugger included in the build? Would you like to see other things shipped, like the DOM Inspector? Or would you rather only see the browser shipped, and make the rest, like Mail/News, Chatzilla, and other components, optional add ons?


#30 Developers vs End Users

by WillyWonka

Wednesday October 10th, 2001 8:55 AM

You are replying to this message

The nightlies is where the "stable" experimenting should take place. Try out new interfaces and tools on a larger audience. It, and the milestones, should be examples of what Beonix and Netscape have available for their builds. If they don't want something, they can remove it. But it's a good way of showing what it can do.

People downloading the nightlies should know enough about it to know how to remove the packages already. There is already stub installer available for people in europe who have to pay by the minute. I do think that more of the tools should be listed under the custom portion of the installer though.

As for the interface, I'm starting to think that its leaning towards developers, which is fine because I am one, but I know a lot of people out there are not, and they outnumber me... so there should be an option to change the interface based on if you are a developer or if you are an end user.

An end user doesn't want a javascript debugger, hell if there is a javascript error, they probably don't even want to know what it is with any detail, they just want to know it's there. If a page doesn't display properly all an end user wants to know, is if they messed up something on their side or if it's on the server side.

The Link^H^H^H^HSite Navagation Toolbar, I feel, helps out both users and developers. It's interface still needs a little cleaning, but it will get there. (I'm biased though, my icons made it into the classic version of the link toolbar) The tabs I think help out the advanced end user. People who don't know a lot about computers have a hard time understanding "layers". Windows "dissapear" on them and stuff. Take a look at word, there is probably a reason that they disabled MDI windows from their newer versions. And there is probably a reason you don't see mdi windows on the mac.

And that is all I have to say about that ;)