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mozilla.org releases Mozilla Milestone 0.9.4

Friday September 14th, 2001

mozilla.org today released Mozilla Milestone 0.9.4. New to this release is the ability to disable the JavaScript window.open() method during page load and unload events. You can find more information on what's new at the release notes.

Builds are available on mozilla.org's download page(or go right to the FTP directory).

A recent post to the Mozilla builds newsgroup explains that Netscape will continue to check into the 0.9.4 branch. Work continues on the trunk toward Mozilla 0.9.5.


#27 Re: I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad...

by macpeep

Saturday September 15th, 2001 6:41 AM

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Yup. I too read the latest copy-paste-modify "Mozilla 0.9.x is released. Behind schedule and very buggy." story on MozillaQuest and laughed all the paranoid warnings he had there. While it's obviously a pile of crap, e.g. that he calls for people not to try any later versions of Mozilla than 0.9.3 / Netscape 6.1, is totally paranoid about turbo mode etc., he has some valid points.

"He's been claiming that Mozilla.org has been keeping the identity of who would be using the branch to create a commercial Mozilla-based release "a closely guarded secret"."

Well, it is. There was some discussion here that started from a statement that "a major vendor will take over the 0.9.4 branch" and nobody ever confirmed who that major vendor is, even though lots of people asked directly. It could be Nokia for example.. Of course, it's just crap that the secrecy would make it less open source or open in general. That's just a commercial company that doesn't want to pre-announce its plans.

" Because 0.9.4 was delayed a week (which, to me, is a minute amount of time in such a large project as Mozilla), he accuses Mozilla.org of "poor program management" and making "inappropriate concessions to AOL/Netscape" (what were those concessions ? Making -turbo the default ? Adding in disabling of window.open() ?)."

Yeah, those are the things he was talking about - the turbo mode in particular. I thought he was being quite clear about that point...

"In a show of paranoid delusion, he is convinced that -turbo is the one of the biggest evils in the universe. "

That was kinda funny, wasn't it? :) But he has a point about the hypocricy about it. Everyone was complaining about how Microsoft loads IE at boot time (which is, by the way, only indirectly true - it's not actually truly "pre-loaded") and now that Mozilla does the same thing, it's the greatest feature on earth. Personally, the load time is fast enough even without turbo mode, so I'll probably disable it myself.

"I'm a bit surprised guys like Angelo can get away with this rubbish unchallenged"

Why does so many people on MozillaZine seem so incredibly keen on shutting up everyone that has anything bad to say about Mozilla? You'd think that in an OPEN source project, people would appreciate such ideas as free speech and freedom of forming an opinion about things. Mike Angelo has some good things to say about Mozilla too. For example he praises the IRC client.. Personally I believe that there's something wrong with him (seriously) because of the strange fixations he has on bug counting and all that, but I don't see him writing anything that is straight out wrong. Yeah, he exaggerates and makes bizarre conclusions from misunderstandings, rumors and speculation ("Netscape denies using Mozilla code!" comes to mind) but he doesn't really make up stuff nor lie about things. Talking about threatening him with a lawsuit or writing to his employer to get him fired is, IMHO, really silly and sad. Just ignore the guy and his site!

When Slashdot has used him as a source recently, half of the user comments have been along the lines of "don't use him as a source!", exposing him for what he is. I think everyone has gotten the message already. There's no need to sink to his level.