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mozilla.org releases Mozilla Milestone 0.9.4

Friday September 14th, 2001

mozilla.org today released Mozilla Milestone 0.9.4. New to this release is the ability to disable the JavaScript window.open() method during page load and unload events. You can find more information on what's new at the release notes.

Builds are available on mozilla.org's download page(or go right to the FTP directory).

A recent post to the Mozilla builds newsgroup explains that Netscape will continue to check into the 0.9.4 branch. Work continues on the trunk toward Mozilla 0.9.5.


#163 Re: Re: Re: Re: 1.0 is in

by SmileyBen

Tuesday September 25th, 2001 6:34 PM

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Hmm. My 'irrelevant comments' are snide, are they. Interesting. I guess that speaks for itself.

Another thing that speaks for itself is your idea that Mozilla (and netscape, and beonex, and galeon and k-meleon - a single browser) is the only browser that follows standards, which shows ignorance at best, or at worst just trying to back up your case with something you know is wrong. No doubt Opera doesn't count because it currently has little market share. No doubt Konqueror doesn't count because it runs on Linux which doesn't count. No doubt browsers that run on platforms such as webpads, handhelds, even mobile phones, that are unlikely to be IE, will in your world be based on Microsoft standards.

To imagine that you will benefit from a Microsoft only world is naive in the extreme (and that's not snide, there are many worse words that could also be applied, that would be rude, naive is simply the truth). And in fact, that answers your next question. You want business benefit not user benefit. Apparently business benefit is user benefit. Well I'll tell you very simply what will benefit 'business' (inasmuch as anything can benefit an abstract entity) - and that's certainly mozilla.org packing up, you're right. The reason you're right, however, is that for IE to have a 100% share would generate bucketloads of cash for Microsoft, and able to push anyone else of the market for internet applications they will succeed in ways that no computer business ever has before. Unfortunately, I really don't know what 'business benefit' really means. Trouble is I'm not American.

This isn't a question of idealism vs. pragmatism. Either one of those has to work out what you're aiming for. What mozilla.org is aiming for is a browser that is best for users (whatever that means, I think a good approximation is a browser that empowers its users) and makes life easiest for developers, partially by adopting well accepted standards. Microsoft certainly aren't aiming for those things, and the question of whether they're coincidentally achieved those things more than mozilla up to now is pretty much irrelevant, since overall a project aiming for things is always going to achieve them better in the long run than something going for other things.

And yes, I think people involved in mozilla are on a crusade (though I wouldn't call it that, we've already had one moronic use of the word in the last two weeks that's gonna end up killing thousands), as is everyone in the free software / open source movement. It's about software empowering people - user and developers - and being valued for that, and not simply its ability to make people money. I think that's perhaps why you don't come across as having the first sign of understanding of this whole debate, since you talk in monetary terms as if they're all that there is, even though (since you seem intelligent, and to have thought about such things) you probably do.