MozillaZine Releases

Tuesday August 14th, 2001 today released the source code for, which is the code that matches Netscape 6.1. This comes from the 0.9.2 branch, and is being made available both as part of the MPL license requirement, and as a way for third parties to easily use it to write compatible plugins and addon features to Netscape 6.1, as well as Mozilla.

#123 Re: Give it up...

by macpeep

Friday August 24th, 2001 2:58 PM

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"And IE does attempt to work on more than one platform, bro -- Mac and PC. That's TWO. :) There are big differences between the two. Go check the WASP pages to see what I mean."

Who cares? IE for PC rules and from what I've heard, IE on Mac is even better. So what if they are different? I didn't even KNOW they were "radically different" like you said. Why should I care as an end user? A web designer like you might care cause you have to test on more than 1 browser.. For an end user, it's completely irrelevant.

"Stability? IE 5.5 (PeeCee) is hardly stable, especially on upgraded machines. IE doesn't install nicely or play well with other versions of IE."

Mean time between failures for Mozilla is slightly lower than Netscape 4 for me.. About the same.. That means roughly one crash per day or so. IE 5.5 crashes so rarely for me that I don't even remember when it last crashed. Maybe you've just had bad luck.. Or maybe I've had good luck. Still, I know lots and lots of people who have chosen IE for exactle the reason that it's MORE STABLE than Netscape. *shrug* It seems it depends a lot on your setup.

"Next, IE doesn't display pages right if it isn't standards compliant. So the argument for "right" unless you mean "designed for IE" is bogus."

I surf on the REAL web with REAL pages. Not "box acid"-tests etc. The sites on the REAL WWW look better in IE than on Mozilla. They look more "right". I don't care if they follow standards or not or if the HTML is broken. No end user does. That's the web designer's problem. Why would I "upgrade" to something that makes the web look WORSE - as an end user with no political interest in my browser choice?

"From a UI point of view, IE 5.5 is hardly a modicum of simplicity...just how many icons do you see there?"

Two.. Back and Forward. I have removed the rest and moved the links bar, address bar and button bar all to the same row to minimize the screen real estate the bars take.

"And how do you customize the thing?"

Right click on the toolbar (like everywhere else in Windows for a context menu) and select "Customize". On the Macintosh IE, you have a page full of icons and you drag and drop them to the toolbar. How do you customize the Mozilla button bar or rearrange the personal toolbar so that it's on the same row as the address bar? What? XUL? Huh? Are you kidding me?!