Mozilla 0.9.2 Released

Friday June 29th, 2001 released milestone 0.9.2 today, which many at mozillaZine believe to be the best candidate for a 1.0 release yet, from an end user point of view. New items since 0.9.1 include 25 more top crash bugs fixed (as measured by Talkback) along with a new context sensitive help system, a new view source window, and a new preloader for windows called 'Turbo'.

You can find Macintosh, Linux, and Windows builds on's releases page, as well as updated release notes.

Following 0.9.2 are two releases,, which will be taken from Netscape's branch after they complete their release from it, and 0.9.3 which will be taken from a branch off the trunk, and will not be under the same drivers checkin control, as previously reported.

#175 Re: Worthwhile NOW

by TonyG <>

Friday July 6th, 2001 6:17 PM

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I have just got back from Microsft TechEd 2001. I went to a session entitled "Building powerful DHTML solutions with IE6". They gave a potted history of the browser wars and made some statements about IE6's standards compliance, including that it is 100% Dom level 1 and 100% CSS1 compliant.

They then went on to demo loads of nice stuff like sortable tables, vertical text, bidi text, horizontal tabs and about 10 other groovy thangs.

All these things used MS Behaviours to function and are thus absent from any Gecko based browser.

I love Mozilla but I tell you, MS will get 90% market share by end of this year unless Mozilla/Netscape 6.x makes some sort of a modest comeback.

Commercial developers are already coding to the emerging de facto standard. This standard is dead simple. If it works in IE then its fine. Budget, time, effort used to even test in Netscape/Mozilla - never mind modify code - is increasingly hard to justify. Sad but true.

Again - as far as commercial web development goes - to create a standards compliant page you code it for IE. At this moment in time Microsoft are paying lipservice to W3C standards. They may even be sincere in their commitments to these standards. But I ask you, if they turned around in the morning and stuck 2 fingers up at W3C, how many developers would stop coding for IE?

1% is a lot in simple mathematics but effort to payback ratios mean its a simple choice to make. If the cost of satisfying 1% of your users is more than the potential payback - then you wring your hands, apologise profusely and then say sorry - your not worth it. Happens all the time.

Bottom line - Mozilla and Netscape need to take the erosion of market share seriously. I personally think Mozilla is just about ready. A bit more UI cleanup and polishing. some more topcrashers sorted out. Memory footprint and performance optimisation (taking account of Moore's law) and then its ready for the last major bit of development.

The last major round of development is proper evangelism. I look here to Netscape not Mozilla. Mozilla advocacy is impeccable. Asa and others posts on /. are just one of many testimonies to this.

Netscape doesnt have a proper site for the product. the link on to the browser is buried and bloody nonen gives a damn.

You used to read Eric Krock or Mitchell Baker etc on OReilly or suchlike.. now you get silence. AOL Time Warner - biggest Multimedia company on this planet - biggest ISP, biggest IM provider. A houisehold name. Do you think these guys know how to do advertising? Damn right they do. so where is the Netscape marketing? hopefully its awaiting a viable product and the Marketing giant is poised to make the whole world think Netscape is cool again.

you ever seen the UK adverts for AOL with the girl in the Cyber dress? I would use Mosaic if she told me to!!!

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