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Full Article Attached 0.9.2 Branch and Beyond

Sunday June 24th, 2001

Chris Blizzard has posted an update on current tree management plans for the 0.9.2 branch and the 0.9.3 trunk. The plan calls for mozilla.org to drop the requirement of drivers@mozilla.org approval for check ins to the trunk, while continuing it till 0.9.2 is finished on the branch. Chris felt that using 0.9.2 as a stability milestone was a success, partly thanks to the drivers requirement, but mostly due to better self policing by those who were checking in.

When 0.9.2 is completed on the branch, Netscape will take over control of it, and continue checking into it for an upcoming release. The build Netscape chooses to release will also be released by mozilla.org as 0.9.2.1.

Finally, Chris stressed the importance of continued self policing, to keep up the high level of stability that the past 2 weeks have achieved. To read his entire post, click the Full Article link.


#12 Re: Re: MozillaQuest Publishing Rubbish Again

by asa <asa@mozilla.org>

Monday June 25th, 2001 1:30 AM

You are replying to this message

"One side of the discussion is giving particular numbers and figures, whil ethe other is putting its response in terms of insults. I can tell you which side I would tend to believe in such a situation."

Strauss, do you feel qualified to analyse mangelo's numbers and make a determination about the accuracy and applicability of those numbers to his arguement? Or are you comfortable assuming that if someone adds a number to an arguement that the arguement is superior to one which does not have numbers? Would you find one arguement more credible if it simply had more numbers than the other? What if it had bigger numbers? What if it used fractions and ratios? Does credibility, believability or simple mathmatical ability come into the equation for you at all?

I'm going to assume that you really didn't mean that you were more likely to believe one arguement over the other because it cited numbers which are not only unverified but easily refuted by any person who was willing to spend part of a day learning to query Bugzilla. I'm going to assume that you were making the more general statement that give two competing accounts, you're more willing to believe the one that contains credible statistics than the one that contains personal attacks. I'll also assume that you have (up until now) no reason to doubt mangelo's credibility, or ability when it comes to querying Bugzilla and making sense out of the results. I'd like to take this oportunity, then, to point out that mangelo lacks the ability to query bugzilla and generate any meaning from the results.

As recently as June 12th mangelo was posting commentary with such entertaining statements as "However, on 9 June 2001, which is when it appears that Netscape 6.1 PR1 was branched from the Mozilla development tree, there were some 2800 bugs in Mozilla. That's too many bugs for a commercial, end-user, product." Not only was he factually wrong on the date that Netscape "branched from Mozilla development" he was wrong about their branching at all. Anyone with a simple understanding of bonsai queries could have queried for the branch containing regexp _9_1 and told you that there was no netscape branch and that the netscape release was taken from the exact same spot on the mozilla branch (6/7 not 6/9) as Mozilla 0.9.1. But even more inaccurate, to the point of being ludicrous, was his claim (I assume he made based on a clear misunderstanding of chofmann's bug counts posted to the newsgroups) that there were "2800 bugs in Mozilla" (I wish. I mean come on. How can anyone be that far off). He simply has no understanding of how to retrieve useful numbers or what they mean.

I'm not slamming mangelo because he is anti-Mozilla. I don't think he is (he's jsut click-through hungry). I'm slamming him because he is woefully incapable of writing anything meaningful when the information is all readily available, up to date in realtime with easy web-accessible query tools. It's like someone handed him a deck of playing cards, telling him to report on the different cards in the deck and when he did he left out three of the suits and added 2 of his own. It's just laughable.

Strauss, I am an expert when it comes to using Bugzilla. I'm comfortable stating that there are very few people who understand as much or more than I do how to mine useful information from that database. I can promise you that mangelo is not one of those people. If mangelo was reporting on bugs in the linux kernel and linus torvalds told you that mangelo's numbers were wrong who would you believe?

--Asa