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Netscape 6.1 Beta 1

Tuesday June 12th, 2001

Netscape today released a beta of their upcoming 6.1 release, based on the mozilla 0.9.1 branch. Check out the release notes, or grab the build.


#202 Re: Criticism in moderation...

by AlexBishop <alex@mozillazine.org>

Friday June 22nd, 2001 4:49 PM

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"And when in their zeal someone reinterprets a lukewarm review as a glowing one, it is proper that someone should point this out."

I'm a zealot?! I didn't interpret the review as being "glowing", but I feel it was more than lukewarm. The exact phrase I used was "CNET seem to like it." I never had any intention of those five words being microanalysed and the semantics getting endlessly discussed!

"I invite any Mozilla engineer who needs his ego stroked with a continual stream of praise and a false sense of accomplishment to leave, now."

Remember that many Mozilla contributors are unpaid and that most of the others work for AOL. Encouragement boosts morale and that boosts productivity and commitment to the product. Nobody ever produced a good product without believing in it. Why do companies employ motivational speakers? Why do warring countries always use propaganda to convince their citizens that they're winning?

"A great deal has been accomplished with Mozilla, but now is not the time to say, 'alright, we did it!' As far as I and much of the rest of the Mozilla-aware world is concerned, you're still playing catch-up to IE, which is not the place where a revolutionary new browser/internet platform/whatever should be."

But the developers aren't stopping. Take, for example, Gecko. It's the most standards-compliant rendering engine in existence (with the possible exceptance of the one in Amaya). It's also very fast. Maybe not as fast as IE, but pretty damn close. Are the developers resting on their laurels? No. They keep on improving it. There's a new imglib, CSS rewrite, not to mention all the other tweaks that occur.

"But on the other hand, these personal and almost-personal attacks by strauss and others are, IMO, unwarranted. I don't think that we're so blinded to reality that the quality of the project is threatened."

Fully agree.

"You know, this 'politeness' thing wastes too much time. What I really mean to say is, 'all of you, SHUT UP ALREADY!'"

But earlier you said criticism was needed...

I believe that MozillaZine should allow some reasonable, well-thought out and, most of all, constructive criticism. Attacks shouldn't be personal or excessively negative (e.g. "Mozilla is crap produced by a bunch of lame coders who can't get proper jobs."). As the TalkBack instructions say "Please keep your comments friendly!"

I'm bored of this debate now. Let's talk about the nightly builds.

Alex