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Tuesday April 10th, 2001

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#41 Re: go away.

by macpeep

Saturday April 14th, 2001 10:18 AM

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What's with the attitude? I seriously doubt that YOU have been involved in major software projects.. The ones I've been involved in have been much more well behaved as far as regressions go.

The whole point of object oriented and well componentized code is that you write something and define the interface how it interacts with the rest of the application and after you get it working, you don't have to touch it. Regressions across the board the way we see on Mozilla should NOT happen after 3 years into development.

I haven't been able to download a nightly build that would have had fully working bookmarks in almost a month now! Soon, it will start using the new outliner widgets which spells even more problems. And we're near to version 0.9!

In bookmarks on the sidebar, a single click is enough to open a folder. For history in the sidebar, you have to double click. Clicking on the triangle-arrows on bookmarks requires a double click. There's absolutely no consistency in the user interface and things like I just mentioned are absolutely everywhere.

Do some "aggressive" surfing - clicking forward, back, opening new windows, closing them etc. and you will get a crash easily within a minute. The latest nightly build I downloaded today crashed when you click on "compose email".

When people write and criticize that they feel Mozilla is buggy, the right response is not to say "go away" or "shut up". In some cases, what they have to say may not be constructive but the signs are all over the place; the Mozilla project is having serious problems. While some things are getting better (outliner, PSM 2.0 fixed most of the serious SSL problems - at least for me, XUL is faster in many areas etc.) there are *VERY* serious issues in many areas that have worked in the past and should be working by now.

The amount of outside contribution and adoption by major companies doesn't impress me much. Apart from AOL/Netscape (obviously), I can't think of any major company that would be using Mozilla in their products. The Nokia product announcements are things that are years away from being released and by then, they might have switched to Opera or Konqueror or who knows what.

When you say "Mozilla ain't going anywhere", you maybe be very right... UNFORTUNATELY...