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Articles Regarding Netscape at Scripting.com

Friday October 30th, 1998

Mike Lofton writes in to say, "There are some very good articles on Netscape at www.scripting.com, including one about a serious privacy issue raised by the What's Related feature. And don't miss the article entitled 'Think'. It's outstanding."

Editor's note: Read the "Think" article, and then let's discuss it here. I think it raises some points that could use some further discussion.

Also, I've gotten enough requests that I've decided to cave on one issue. From now on, all external links will be target = "_top". Don't say I never gave you nothin'.


#1 Re:Articles Regarding Netscape at Scripting.com

by Jason Kersey <kerz@en.com>

Friday October 30th, 1998 10:00 AM

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Cough, Cough, Bullshit, Cough, Cough.....

This is quite the article. I truly believe that Netscape was not out to, nor is looking to create an OS. They simply created one of the latest killer apps, which Microsoft decided to 'integrate' into its OS. I have found it interesting to watch as IE has slowly moved forward. It seems, that as the trial goes on, Microsoft is changing more and more of IE to make it look like IE is a Windows feature. In its latest carnation, 5b2, they have changed the name of the installer from 'IE Setup' to 'Windows Update.' I am led to believe, that if this trial had never happened, we would still see IE as a standalone addon to Windows. But, because IE is at the heart of the lawsuit, MS is slowly trying to cover its tracks.

While I don't advise downloading IE, as it memory hog in all respects, I would ask that you take a look at it on someone who has taken the risk to use it, as it is amazing how they are trying to cover up their tracks by adding Windows features all over the browser...

And not to overlook the trial...the trial is based on whether or not Microsoft leveraged its monopoly to advance it's Web Browser. It has nothing to do with whether Netscape survives or not. Netscape comes into play, because it was the focus of Microsoft's latest 'integration.'

Anyways, its early, and I don't know if this makes sence, but oh well.

#2 Re:Articles Regarding Netscape at Scripting.com

by george <beg1@netscape.net>

Friday October 30th, 1998 4:49 PM

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ouch...

Why doesn't Steve W. trying running Netscape and fighting against Microsoft? Second, Netscape couldn't turn Apple around like Steve Jobs has!

Although Steve W. does have a point...Is Netscape doing every thing they can do to get better programers? Getting Netscape included on more PC makers? bundled with more software?

#3 Re:Articles Regarding Netscape at Scripting.com

by SURANYI Peter <suranyip@jks.is.tskuba.ac.jp>

Friday October 30th, 1998 7:33 PM

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What an awful article... In fact I think M$ shouldn't be allowed to deliver a windowing system, file manager and all that stuff bundled with their "OS" (ie DOS 7). Btw the fact that Netscape 5 will come with NGL is very interesting. It means that during this few months the Mozilla team has developed a layout engine which is better than the one Netscape has been developing for years. I hope it won't be as bogus and memory-hog as the current one is.

#4 Re:Articles Regarding Netscape at Scripting.com

by arielb

Sunday November 1st, 1998 2:20 AM

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Jason, what are your other impressions of IE5b2 so far? (for all of us who don't want to bother dloading the thing)

#5 Crack head

by Brian Stanke <rhapsodizing@mauimail.com>

Sunday November 1st, 1998 4:18 PM

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Netscape could of bought Apple? That Dave is a crack head. Apple has had more cash in the bank (forget total book value) than Netscape has ever been worth. Even Apple was at its worse Netscape couldn't dream of bBUYING them. How about what the business sense of that would be. Why would a browser company buy a hardware maker? It makes no sense. Netscape wants to turn both the hardware and the OS into commodities, there is no reason to get distacted buying into or building either. The pure silliness of his suggestion discredits him.

Another thing I fail to understand is this whole Netscape must be dead to have a case idea. The law says that a monolpoly cannot leverage that power to attempt to create a new monopoly. It does not matter if MS suceeds or fails it in the act that is illegal, not the consequence. On one hand Dave argues Netscape failed to compete, on the other he complains it isn't dead yet so no foul, one can not have it both ways. Sound like MS doublespeak has got to his head. The closing of the OEM channel to Netscape is having clear and measureable consequences on Netscape marketshare in certain areas while it is thriving in areas such as Large businesses where pre-loads and low-bandwith are far less important. This makes it clear that MS's market power of PC OEMs and the forced bundling of IE4 into Windows is pushing certain markets in direction the would not necessarily go. That is the anti-trust violation. The leveraging of MS Word to force Apple to adopt IE & of Windows to get AOL to adopt IE are clearly also abuses of market power. Dave never mentions any of this however, after all Microsoft is free to crush and kill as it pleases. I wonder what he will say when MS decies it what's Windows scripting and to break Frontier on purpose. "...and when they came for me there was no one left to object."

#6 Re:Articles Regarding Netscape at Scripting.com

by Dave WIner <dave@userland.com>

Monday November 2nd, 1998 2:18 PM

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I guess this is another place where "thinkers" aggregate.

It's nice to know you guys know everything. Let me know when you have something serious to say.

Dave

#7 Re: where "thinkers" aggregate

by Eaton Messner <eat__me@hotmail.com>

Friday November 6th, 1998 12:46 AM

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Dave, The real thinkers are at slashdot.org.

-- Eaton