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M18 Now Available!

Thursday October 12th, 2000

Milestone M18 has just hit the FTP site - get it while it's hot. If you've been checking out the trunk builds, you're already ahead of the curve - the trunk builds are looking really good recently. Now if they can just get the performance of the Personal Security Manager up to snuff, Mozilla will be something I can use for all my browsing.

The M18 release builds are available here. Versions for Linux, Mac, Windows, and OpenVMS are available. Also, there is a Windows MathML/SVG/XSLT build available and a MathML/SVG build available for Linux; I'm not sure what other files you'll need to install to get XSLT working, though (if any).


#1 Woohoo! The end is near! n/t

by Kovu <Kovu401@netscape.net>

Thursday October 12th, 2000 6:17 PM

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n/t

#2 AIM in M18?

by dannunn <thedannunn@yahoo.com>

Thursday October 12th, 2000 6:41 PM

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Can I use the PR3 AIM xpi from Netscape's FTP site in M18? I didn't think I'd become this accustomed to this PR's AIM client, but it's truely wonderful this time around :)

#3 mathml, svg, xslt

by sdm

Thursday October 12th, 2000 6:55 PM

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I got mathml, and xslt to work out of the box, but downloading svg content gives me an unknown content type error. Pretty cool though!

#6 Re: mathml, svg, xslt

by ryuzi

Thursday October 12th, 2000 9:44 PM

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is there any mathml,svg, or xslt samples that works with mozilla ?

if you know some ones,please let me know here.it is usefle for everyone.

#16 Samples

by skeeterow <skeetersrow@netscape.net>

Friday October 13th, 2000 4:10 AM

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Hi All I've just started a site with a few examples of inline SVG and some embeded SVG images. If you go there <http://www.skeeter-s.com> you will find two links called 'Landscape'. One of them is an inline and the other is an embeded SVG file. Smiley is a comb of both. Haven't tried them yet in M18 myself, but will do so as soon as I get home from work and install it They do work in a M17-18 nightly, for me a least.

steve

#27 Re:It works

by skeeterow <skeetersrow@netscape.net>

Friday October 13th, 2000 12:56 PM

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Hi All Well home from work and just installed M 18 and it works fine. Here is a link to a file that has only an inline SVG. <http://www.skeeter-s.com/landschaft.xml>

steve

#19 Re: Re: mathml, svg, xslt

by RBS <rbs@maths.uq.edu.au>

Friday October 13th, 2000 8:25 AM

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Try your inititial luck with the mathml start page <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/start.xml> which renders like this screenshot <http://www.mozilla.org/pr…hml/screenshots/start.gif>

#15 Re: mathml, svg, xslt

by yannick

Friday October 13th, 2000 3:37 AM

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I got the same error! It seems impossible to have svg working. :(

#53 Re: mathml, svg, xslt

by rdonkin

Monday October 23rd, 2000 1:20 AM

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I compiled M18 from source on Linux - MathML works fine, but I get the unknown MIME type problem on SVG - has anyone got pointers to fixing this?

#54 Re: Re: mathml, svg, xslt

by skeeterow <skeetersrow@netscape.net>

Tuesday October 24th, 2000 1:38 PM

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Hi It sounds like you are trying to view embedded SVG files that use the Adobe plug in or some other java viewer. Inline SVG will not asked for a plug in. If this is the case then either you need to install the Adobe and if you already have then copy the following files from your Netscape plug in directory: NPSVGVw.dll, SVGView.dll and SVGViewer.zip or you will find them in C:\\\\\\\\Windows\\\\\\\\System\\\\\\\\Adobe\\\\\\\\SVG Viewer. These should then be pasted into the plug in folder of your M18 or enabled nighly. AT this time Mozilla supports inline SVG script and not a plug in type. You can test your M 18 over at <http://skeeter-s.com.> I\\\\\\\'ve got some pages there with inline and embedded.

steve

#4 Bug 46828

by ezh <ezh@menelon.ee>

Thursday October 12th, 2000 7:16 PM

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Look at this <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46828> ... They do not want to fix it to NS6. :(

#7 Re: Bug 46828

by Waldo

Friday October 13th, 2000 12:03 AM

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WTF? I've been having this problem with The Onion lately, where going back to the main page seems to be loading the wrong page. I hope they fix it.

W

#47 back button workaround

by darklite

Wednesday October 18th, 2000 5:24 PM

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there is a work around to this (if its the bug I think it is).. but you sort of have to remember what you're doing

if you go to the "Go" menu item.. the history of everyplace you went will be stored there..

here's an example (i'm using the 1013 build): 1) point your browser to pricewatch <http://www.pricewatch.com/> 2) click on one of the hardware categories (eg; Processors - PC) 3) click on a subcategory (eg; Pentium III Xeon) 4) now go to the "Go" menu item 5) the top items are your most recent clicks.. the lower the less recent it is 6) say you want to go back to the hardware category listing.. click on the third line down.. that should bring you back to the hw listing 7) to go to the CPU listing again, click on the line above the checkmark

like I said.. its a bit tedius, but frames aren't entirely broken in Mozilla.

but I agree.. this needs to be fixed before its released. I can't imagine someone switching from IE to NS6 with a bug like this..

#31 Re: Bug 46828

by sremick

Friday October 13th, 2000 2:29 PM

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I run into this one all the time. I'm with you: this needs to be fixed for NS6.

I gave it a vote.

#40 Re: Bug 46828

by ratman

Sunday October 15th, 2000 12:18 AM

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wow - i can't believe that they're gonna let that one go through. i mean, what's the point of standards compliance if a user can't even have their back button work right?

since this will likely invalidate the ability to use a large number of sites, not to mention any issues with hitting 404 pages, it seems obvious that institutions will choose to use a functioning alternative to n6 (i.e., ie).

i'm gonna go plunk a vote down too. i may still be using mozilla, but it'll be sad to see the university give in to ms.

#5 Java and linux.

by centove

Thursday October 12th, 2000 8:03 PM

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Beware of that nasty applet on (of all places) java.sun.com. It just kills M18 on linux.

#22 Re: Java and linux.

by pohl <pohl@screaming.org>

Friday October 13th, 2000 9:27 AM

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I got java to work yesterday with a fresh build from cvs. I could view javasoft.com and javalobby.org (both have applets on the front page) without any trouble.

However, I have not been able to view mozillazine using mozilla (I'm here with classic netscape now) since the applet banner-ads started to appear. I believe that the critical difference is that mozillazine uses javascript to dynamically write the applet tags if that is what is required for a given ad rotation. I haven't verified this yet.

There is a bugzilla report regarding this, with a minimal test-case. I would appreciate it if linux users would check it out...

<http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56323>

#23 Re: Java and linux.

by unbekannt

Friday October 13th, 2000 10:50 AM

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On my machine it would load the applet and run it just fine, but it took all events away from Mozilla. I couldn\\\'t click on the Location bar or any of the buttons (had to ctl-C it from the controlling tty -- gotta love UNIX). Is this what happened to you? Any working Java is better than NS4, where it randomly crashes when you use it. Mozilla M18 dies with Java all the time as well (but then again, this Java plugin isn\\\'t even beta yet; it\\\'s distributed with RC1, but the plugin itself is not).

#39 Re: Re: Java and linux.

by centove

Saturday October 14th, 2000 8:32 PM

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Yep the applet steals all the events and mozilla needs to be killed. The jre isn't beta, the oji plugin is in a questionable state whether its a preview or a beta or what it is. No word from sun on it. *shrug*

#8 Silly Bookmark Question

by roberta

Friday October 13th, 2000 12:09 AM

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Will we be able to drag links to the toolbar in the final release?

I'm asking because if not, it looks like a lot of sites bookmarklets will become a pain in the ass to download (add the bookmarklet, move to personal toolbar folder etc.)

#11 Re: Silly Bookmark Question

by gerbilpower <gerbil@ucdavis.edu>

Friday October 13th, 2000 1:30 AM

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Drag-n-drop into the Personal Toolbar is partially implimented and can be turned on from the debug section in Preferences, but it's very buggy right now so not recommended.

What I do that's a nice alternative is to open the bookmark sidebar panel, and you can drag and drop your bookmarks there, including the bookmarks in the Personal Toolbar.

<:3)~~

#29 Re: Silly Bookmark etc.

by roberta

Friday October 13th, 2000 1:42 PM

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Thanks for the heads up.

Now if the damn thing just wouldn't craqsh whenever I come to an alert select box :)

#38 Workaround for Silly Bookmark Question

by dhart

Saturday October 14th, 2000 6:35 PM

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Here's a quick workaround:

Make the bookmarks tab the default for MySidebar.

Make Personal Toolbar the first folder in Bookmarks.

Drag from bookmark icon in location field to Toolbar folder.

I unhide MySidebar whenever adding a bookmark.

-dave

#9 M18 and the PSM

by smeat <bbaptist@rocketmail.com>

Friday October 13th, 2000 12:13 AM

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I was wondering if anyone knows how to get the security manager to work as a non-root user. It works great as long as I run Mozilla as root, but as a user it just sits there waiting to load the page. If you stop it from loading then all of mozilla locks up. Is this a bug that I should report or is it known?

Thanks, Bret.

#12 Re: M18 and the PSM

by hpgjg <kunde@get2net.dk>

Friday October 13th, 2000 2:33 AM

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Maybe it's related to Bug 41057 "Mozilla should not need write access to the binary directory."

<http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41057>

#33 Re: M18 and the PSM

by tono

Friday October 13th, 2000 5:50 PM

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A workaround is to chown everything in usr/bin/mozilla or wherever you put it to yourusername.yourusergroup I did that and it worked fine, although I agree that shouldn't be necessary.

#45 Re: Re: M18 and the PSM

by NSMichib <michib@inwind.it>

Monday October 16th, 2000 8:10 AM

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Hi, I followed all the instructions provided, then I changed owner and group information for the directory /tmp/mozilla/pachage according to some suggestions I found here. I issued a chmod -R 777 command too, but Mozilla still works only if lounched by root. This didn't happened with M17... Any hint?

#46 Re: M18 and the PSM

by tono

Wednesday October 18th, 2000 1:10 PM

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I haven't a clue, have you written to bugzilla about this? It works fine for me, infact I have mozilla docked as a dock app in windowmaker.

#10 Linux Navigator-only Classic Skin Patch

by slm

Friday October 13th, 2000 12:24 AM

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#13 Re: Linux Navigator-only Classic Skin Patch

by doron

Friday October 13th, 2000 2:34 AM

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cool, I like that mini-nav4 version

#35 Re: Re: Linux Navigator-only Classic Skin Patch

by avisdurgan

Saturday October 14th, 2000 11:08 AM

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Why isn't there a "pictures only" option in Mozilla, like it is in NS4.x? And the Modern skin doesn't have any descriptive text below the buttons...

#41 Pictures & Text, Pictures Only, Text Only

by KDPJE <kleinduijmpje@onetelnet.nl>

Sunday October 15th, 2000 12:34 AM

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My own little hack called 'AMI' (Alternative Menu Initiative) does support all these three states for the Classic Skin. Mind you currently only works with the M17 milestone and now that M18 is out will need to bring it up to speed.

Find it at x.themes,org :

<http://x.themes.org/viewr…sources.phtml?type=chrome>

#14 New release notes

by sconest

Friday October 13th, 2000 3:10 AM

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Maybe it's time to update the release notes. I stille see reference to M17 in it.

#17 Impressive resource demands

by CosmicDreams <cweber@gac.edu>

Friday October 13th, 2000 7:50 AM

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I\'ve been keeping a close eye on the amount of memory that mozilla uses in the daily builds (off and on). M18 is using on average 17-18 MB of Ram. This is good because the last build I tried (about a week ago) started with a need for 22-23 MB of ram and went even higher upon visiting a few sites. I\'ve had mozilla demand over 35 MB of Ram before. I\'m also impressed that mozilla keeps it\'s demand for Ram around 17-18 MB of ram instead of ever increasing It\'s demand when you visit other pages.

I understand that people are targetting mozilla for 32 MB embedded devices. I hope that we can eventually halve the current 17-18 MB demand to 8-9 MB of Ram, because then we can be on par with IE for Memory usage. Let\'s face it people if mozilla was more of a memory hog than IE why should a use with under 32 MB of Ram install Big Mo instead of little IE.

#24 Re: Impressive resource demands

by unbekannt

Friday October 13th, 2000 10:59 AM

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A simplistic glance at the binaries with:

strings mozilla* lib* | wc -c 495620

Shows that there's quite a bit of stuff in there that probably won't be when it is finally released (not that all of that will go away, but I imagine things like '>>>>>>COPY TO CLIPBORD' will)

#34 Interesting observation

by CosmicDreams <cweber@gac.edu>

Friday October 13th, 2000 10:59 PM

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I running the win32 version of M18 on a Win2k box w/64 MB of Ram. It's been running (idle) for about a day and a half an it stayed close to 18 MB all that time. What version/ on what kind of a machine are you running.

Also, I'm not sure what your first message implicates. How much of mozilla won't have to be included in the final release? What effect will this have on the total Ram usage?

Thanks Cosmic

#25 Re: Impressive resource demands

by unbekannt

Friday October 13th, 2000 11:00 AM

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Also, I've noticed that M18 does seem to leak memory. It starts out at 10MB + 10MB shared and if you leave it on all day (it doesn't crash! yay!) you'll see it using up over 30MB non-shared.

#37 Re: Impressive resource demands

by guyh

Saturday October 14th, 2000 5:49 PM

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I'm seeing steady state physical RAM on Windows NT 4.0 of about 23 MB for 1 screen, increasing to as high as 35 MB if i open a total of 3 windows. Also, if I close the extra windows, memory resources are NOT returned according to Task Manager.

#18 java plugin-M18

by chrislee

Friday October 13th, 2000 8:14 AM

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I'm trying to download the java 2 plugin for linux.

M18 appears to be hanging when at the "Downloading..." dialog. Is there a way I can ftp to the site directly, download the java package and install in "by hand" Thanks in advance, -chris

#21 Re: java plugin-M18

by pohl <pohl@screaming.org>

Friday October 13th, 2000 9:22 AM

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I did this just yesterday, not with M18 but with a fresh build from cvs sources. I got the same pause with the download dialog, but I was patient (did not click cancel) and it eventually did work.

#26 Re: java plugin-M18

by unbekannt

Friday October 13th, 2000 11:02 AM

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Just be patient; the progress bar doesn't work, but it will do it if you leave it alone. After you do get it, you may want to remove it -- it causes my M18 to crash on about half the applets.

#55 Re: java plugin-M18

by octarine <wildej8@cs.man.ac.uk>

Wednesday October 25th, 2000 4:14 AM

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I have been having this problem, It appears that the 'Software Installation' doesn't use the proxies properly. When I tried to install Java 2 with an ftp proxy nothing happened (and I mean nothing I was watching the lights on the hub and everything), when I removed the proxy setting it installed fine. Problem is that Moz uses the same system to install themes but the themes from x.themes.org are sent via port 80, and my network firewalls port 80, so i *have* to use the proxy, anyone know if this will be fixed, or if I'm just being daft?

#20 Java and Mozilla

by jrepin <jlp@holodeck1.com>

Friday October 13th, 2000 8:39 AM

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How can I enable java in Mozilla? If I instal Java2 JRE 1.3.0 for Windows and then copy npjava32.dll to plugins folder I can see java on a page. The problem is that when I try to leave the page (click link, back button) Mozilla crashes. What is the right way to enable Java in Mozilla?

#28 ARGHHH!!!!!!!!

by pwinthrop

Friday October 13th, 2000 1:04 PM

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I'm still not able to change themes on this program. I have gone into the registry, wiped everything that says Mozilla or Seamonkey, installed a shiny new copy of M18 and I STILL can't add new themes.

Please help!!!!

#32 Cleaning up.

by jelwell

Friday October 13th, 2000 4:14 PM

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To clean up a previously installed version on windows. 1) delete moz* in your windows directory (paticularly mozregistry.dat, and mozver.dat) 2) Delete your Users50 directory (search for it) 3) Delete all of your Mozilla installation folder.

Reinstall.

On Linux, rm -rf ~/.mozilla and the folder you installed to.

On Mac, delete moz* in your /system/preferences/ folder as well as you User directory in /documents/ and the folder you installed into.

#30 Forget M18, 2000101308

by tny

Friday October 13th, 2000 2:29 PM

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for Win98 is very, very good. For the first time, it seems like I'm using a released version of a browser, not a beta.

#36 about:mozilla

by damian <daemonc@netscape.net>

Saturday October 14th, 2000 3:57 PM

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hehe. try it.

#42 Probs with Newsgroup Responses

by hkrause <hkrause@capu.net>

Sunday October 15th, 2000 7:04 AM

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If you try to respond to a newsgroup post that has been crossposted previously, you get a message that only one group may be posted to at a time...and then no posting at all is done.

#43 Probs with Newsgroup Responses

by hkrause <hkrause@capu.net>

Sunday October 15th, 2000 8:09 AM

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If you try to respond to a newsgroup post that has been crossposted previously, you get a message that only one group may be posted to at a time...and then no posting at all is done.

#44 Importing Address Book Kaput

by hkrause <hkrause@capu.net>

Sunday October 15th, 2000 9:54 AM

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This is, I presume, a known problem? Neither of the methods for importing my NS 4.76 address book work. Not even the TASKS, TOOLS, IMPORT workaround.

#48 i like it

by firemotion

Thursday October 19th, 2000 7:45 AM

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i use mozilla now more often. i can't wait for it to be released!

#49 User Guide

by cycletourist <bicyclebob@email.com>

Saturday October 21st, 2000 12:26 AM

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Has anyone written a user's guide for Mozilla? If not, is there on in the works? Most features are pretty obvious but a written guide would still be handy.

#50 User Guide

by cycletourist <bicyclebob@email.com>

Saturday October 21st, 2000 12:27 AM

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Has anyone written a user's guide for Mozilla? If not, is there on in the works? Most features are pretty obvious but a written guide would still be handy.

#51 User Guide

by cycletourist <bicyclebob@email.com>

Saturday October 21st, 2000 12:29 AM

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Has anyone written a user's guide for Mozilla? If not, is there on in the works? Most features are pretty obvious but a written guide would still be handy.

#52 User Guide

by cycletourist <bicyclebob@email.com>

Saturday October 21st, 2000 12:30 AM

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Has anyone written a user's guide for Mozilla? If not, is there on in the works? Most features are pretty obvious but a written guide would still be handy.