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Milestone 17 has Arrived!

Monday August 7th, 2000

Mozilla.org has posted M17 binaries in the usual place. These are some really rock-solid builds, and are the best builds yet, IMHO... Grab them while they're hot!

Release Notes and a What's New page are also available for your pleasure.

This M17 build is essentially PR2, too - so if you want to check out the core of PR2 without all of the commercial cruft, grab this M17 release.

And if you're looking to be cutting-edge, you should be grabbing the M18 builds, which are already eclipsing the M17 builds in terms of quality.


#1 :)

by johnlar <johnlar@tfn.net>

Monday August 7th, 2000 8:33 PM

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First post baby!! oh yea

#2 Very good ...

by slam

Monday August 7th, 2000 9:50 PM

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I'm having fun with this thing. No crashing, doing lots of surfin' while playing blues MP3's. Can't wait until keyboard support is 100%. Wish I could right click on the task bar for options, or double click on something to collaspe/expand it. It keeps showing up again after I hide it.

#3 Getting there

by groomed

Monday August 7th, 2000 10:35 PM

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Great build, good feel.

Footprint, performance and lack of Java support on Linux are what's keeping me from using this one as a replacement for NS 4.72.

#4 M17 Java support works

by Kfir <kfir.shay@cornell.edu>

Monday August 7th, 2000 11:42 PM

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f you have Java installed on your system Mozilla pick the JRE and works great Tested on: SUN JRE 1.3 Beta SUN JRE 1.2 Standard IBM JDK 1.3 Beta

#7 Re: M17 Java support works

by slam

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 2:17 AM

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Forgive me for being dumb, but how do you get Java support set up?

#23 Re: Re: M17 Java support works

by gerbilpower <gerbil@ucdavis.edu>

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 8:00 PM

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I have the answer to that at my site, NewZilla: <http://www.gerbilbox.com/…a/mozilla/usingmoz07.php3>

#5 m17 linux doesn't start?

by slm

Monday August 7th, 2000 11:51 PM

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./run-mozilla [...] ProfileManager : CreateNewProfile Profile Name: default Profile Dir: /home/sl/.mozilla

Thats all. no ./mozilla dir, no start-up, no unusual err-mesg.

btw: PR2 starts, but works like M7 or so ... :-(

#6 Re: m17 linux doesn't start?

by slm

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 12:46 AM

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sorry, I should free some disk space. - M17 runs fine :)

#8 Release Notes...

by MillenniumX

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 5:58 AM

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I must have missed something a while back, but I noticed in the release notes under "DOM Level 0" that the HandleEvent() JavaScript function is unimplemented and, according to the notes, is not going to be implemented at all. Honest question: why? Is it not part of the DOM or ECMAScript standards or something? I'm just looking at this and wondering, because if Mozilla is going to be 100% standards compliant I would think it really ought to implement all of the standards. Is there some issue (perhaps a cross-platform thing) that keeps this one from making it in?

#25 Re: Release Notes...

by sneakums

Wednesday August 9th, 2000 2:53 AM

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handleEvent is a method in the proprietary NS 4.x DOM. It will not be implemented since the same functionslity is present in the W3C DOM in the form of the dispatchEvent method.

See: (towards the end) <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9552>

#9 plugins

by shomon <ale@sift.co.uk>

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 6:10 AM

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anyone had any luck with plugins yet? Do they work, any problems, can you share/use existing netscape 4 plugins? Which ones don't?

#11 flash works, real does not (for me at least)

by RvR <mozillazine@mozillazine-fr.org>

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 6:54 AM

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i just did a `cp ~/.netscape/plugins ~/mozilla/m17/package/plugins' and flash works. cool !

but i try to listen to a realaudio stream, i get the prompt to save the file (unknown type)

#13 Re: flash works, real does not (for me at least)

by tjwhaynes

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 9:20 AM

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Sounds like your MIME types aren't set up for Real audio, but they are for Flash. Locate the relevant line in your Netscape Edif->Preferences->Helper Applications and add it to your Mozilla equivalent. I have no sound card, so I'll pass on testing that here!

#14 Re: flash works, real does not (for me at least)

by tjwhaynes

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 9:20 AM

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Sounds like your MIME types aren't set up for Real audio, but they are for Flash. Locate the relevant line in your Netscape Edif->Preferences->Helper Applications and add it to your Mozilla equivalent. I have no sound card, so I'll pass on testing that here!

#27 yeah ! great ! :)

by RvR <mozillazine@mozillazine-fr.org>

Wednesday August 9th, 2000 10:59 AM

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thanks for the hint. now i'm listening to a RealAudio stream in Mozilla with the Player v7.

the plugin list in the preference panel is always empty but when you add the mime-type it works, fortunately... it's a bit weird still, but it's a good progress.

#16 RealPlayer works for me on Windoze

by sremick

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 11:55 AM

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Both Flash and RealPlayer have been working fine for me using nightly builds. I haven't tried the official M17 yet.

FYI, I'm using Windoze NT 4 SP6a.

#10 plugins

by shomon <ale@sift.co.uk>

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 6:11 AM

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anyone had any luck with plugins yet? Do they work, any problems, can you share/use existing netscape 4 plugins? Which ones don't?

#15 Re: plugins

by Anon

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 10:54 AM

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Somehow, some way, I managed to get the 4.x ichat plugin for Netscape 4.x to work with an M18 nightly build, simply by copying npichat.dll from Communicator's Plugins directory to Mozilla's. Doesn't seem to work anymore, from Netscape PR2 to the latest nightlies, it never seems to register it's mimetype and prompts what to do when the .chat file is sent from the server. So, I guess this isn't a hopeful outlook, but Plugins either have partial support - or plugin working is just spotty. (ps. this is all win32)

#12 AIX builds

by Salsaman

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 9:09 AM

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When oh when are we going to get an up to date AIX build ? I use AIX boxes at work, and I'd love to be able to try out Mozilla on 'em.

#17 skin

by wtmcgee

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 12:50 PM

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is there plans for the mac classic skin to be made available for win32? i love the way that one looks =)

#18 Wherefore art thou newsgroups?

by gwalla <gwalla@despammed.com>

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 1:27 PM

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This is getting ridiculous. M17 *still* has "Newsgroups" grayed out in the tasks menu. Are they ever going to put newsgroup selection in?

I know you can get at newsgroups you're already subscribed to through the mail task, but that's not common knowledge. And graying out newsgroups makes it look like they aren't implemented at all, which means people are less likely to try it. And, of course, there is no UI for subscribing or unsubscribing.

There's not going to be much time for user feedback at this rate.

#19 x-remote support?

by sbaums

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 2:01 PM

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From the Release Notes:

Some server side x-remote support came online since M16.

Does anyone know how to use that? "mozilla -remote 'openURL(some.url)'" does not work for me.

The relevant bug is no. 11185. The bugzilla page gives the impression that it should work now, but does not say how.

Stefan

#21 just use "netscape -remote 'openURL(some.url)

by RvR <mozillazine@mozillazine-fr.org>

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 3:00 PM

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it's that simple.

the reason for the "netscape" call is to be compatible with Gnome navigation system (which relies on the netscape -remote 'openURL(some.url)' trick)

the funny thing is when you have both Nav4.x and Moz running on your system. the x-remote call may be handled by whichever one, depending on the order in which you launched them. don't ask me why.

#22 Re: just use "netscape -remote 'openURL(some.

by sbaums

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 5:13 PM

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Thanks for the hint. Since I don't have installed netscape it didn't work as such, but I finally figured out the problem.

As they do say in the Release Notes, what mozilla provides now is _server_ support for x-remote. What one still needs is a client; that can be got from

<http://home.netscape.com/newsref/std/x-remote.html>

(this is Netscape's reference implementation of the x-remote feature).

Hope this helps others with the same problem.

Stefan

#28 the message i get when using both Nav4 and Moz

by RvR <mozillazine@mozillazine-fr.org>

Wednesday August 9th, 2000 10:59 AM

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here's the message i get when i use NS4.x and Mozilla at the same time and i launch netscape -remote ... :

netscape: warning: both version 5.0 (0x540034b) and version 4.61 (0x54002d7) are running. Using version 4.61.

but sometimes it ends up using the "version 5.0".

#20 still cannot access sites

by jakubusa

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 2:15 PM

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M17 looks nice on WinNT. However, I am still experiencing the same kinda problems as with the nightly builds and M16. I cannot access mozillazine.org, cnet.com and most other sites. I can connect to mozilla.org and cnn.com for example, but I still cannot use this release as my main browser.

I am behind a firewall. Is there any settings I can change? Is anyone having the same problem? This is very frustrating...

After the above comments I will not even attempt to download Netscape PR2, but I would so much like Mozilla to work!

#24 Miscellaneous Issues

by jck2000

Tuesday August 8th, 2000 10:19 PM

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I d/l'd M17 for Linux today (non-talkback). Navigator looked very good, Mail however would not come up properly -- basically (i) it appeared as if the main mail window was being painted in each frame of the mail window, (ii) the UI was not responsive and (iii) the bash shell window from which I ran Moz kept saying "stopping meteors" and incrementing the WEBSHELL count (73, when I put it out of its misery). Has anyone else seen this? <p> In any event, d/l'd the M18 nightly and am much happier. Except for (i) a variety of annoying but more-or-less trivial UI glitches (for instance, frequent cursor inconsistencies), (ii) lack of Java support and (iii) plug-in issues, I would chuck my NS 4.x. <p> As other posters have asked, I would appreciate it if people could provide clear advice on getting plugins and (if possible) Java to work under Linux. Though the M17 release notes said plugins were implemented, in M18, Preferences -> Navigator -> Helper Applications -> Edit brings up an "Edit Type" dialog that has options for only Navigator, Save to Disk and Application -- no Plugins, as NS 4.x has. Additionally, the Choose button for Application appears to be non-functional (bash window shows an uncaught NS_NOINTERFACE exception). <p> The grayed-out Tasks -> Newsgroups item is a trivial, but embarrassing, glitch. To get around it, go to Tasks -> Mail and then select Edit -> Mail/News Account Settings to set up news servers and to subscribe to groups (contrary to what an earlier poster said, there is GUI Subscribe function, its just a little hard to find). <p> Overall, though, I am very pleased by M18. It feels solid (hasn't crashed in the couple hours I have used it) and it scrolls faster and better (less flicker) than NS 4.61. I really think Moz is getting there. In another milestone or two, when they have Java working under Linux, I think things are going to get real exciting.

#26 Bookmarks sidebar + more

by andersl <preben@alweb.dk>

Wednesday August 9th, 2000 8:17 AM

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Hi, just havibng started M17, I can see a few problems: The bookmark sidebar seems unable to open my bookmarks - did anybody have the same problem, or solve it? Some HTML dosen't seem to render correctly, like deep nested tables (I can't give the address, it's not available on www). I see tooltips fot the first time, and on <http://www.gerbilbox.com/…a/mozilla/usingmoz07.php3> tooltips seems to display IMG TITLE or DIV SUMMARY - rather stupid..., this should be more fleksible... Anyway, seems a nice build, lots of improvement!

#34 bookmark sidebar opens webpage in sidebar not main

by mainelymd

Tuesday December 28th, 2004 6:00 PM

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when i click on a bookmark in the bookmark sidebar, it opens the webpage in the sidebar. then i have to click on a specific part of the webpage in the sidebar for it to open the page in the maine window. then i have to close the sidebar & then reopen to replace the webpage to the bookmarks in the sidebar space. anyone have any idea how to fix this?

#35 bkmark sidebr opens pg in sidebar not main window

by mainelymd

Tuesday December 28th, 2004 6:02 PM

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when i click on a bookmark in the bookmark sidebar, it opens the webpage in the sidebar. then i have to click on a specific part of the webpage in the sidebar for it to open the page in the maine window. then i have to close the sidebar & then reopen to replace the webpage to the bookmarks in the sidebar space. anyone have any idea how to fix this?

#36 bkmark sidebr opens pg in sidebar not main window

by mainelymd

Tuesday December 28th, 2004 6:02 PM

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when i click on a bookmark in the bookmark sidebar, it opens the webpage in the sidebar. then i have to click on a specific part of the webpage in the sidebar for it to open the page in the maine window. then i have to close the sidebar & then reopen to replace the webpage to the bookmarks in the sidebar space. anyone have any idea how to fix this?

#29 The message I get when using _only_ Moz

by sbaums

Wednesday August 9th, 2000 1:16 PM

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Strange but true, this is what I get if I use the above-linked x-remote client with only Mozilla M17 running:

mozilla-remote: warning: both version 5.0 (0x2402cd6) and version 1.1 (0x240000c) are running. Using version 1.1.

It works though: the open Mozilla window is indeed used to execute the x-remote command.

#30 damn i gotta get this

by Kaoslord <kaoslord@chaos-productions.com>

Saturday August 12th, 2000 1:10 AM

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i gotta get this-... im using moz as my only browser in win 98 due to the fact that ie decided to stop working 2 weeks ago andi dont feel like downloading it since i dont have a cd.... it works great but im on the 7/31 nightly... its great that i cant get m 17 now...

#31 Worse than M16

by emacadie

Sunday August 13th, 2000 11:58 PM

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Pages that use CSS are rendered completely wrong. CSS was done perfectly in M16. What happened?

#32 Re: Worse than M16

by tny

Monday August 14th, 2000 5:34 AM

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You're probably using Linux, right? I've noticed that pages that look great in Moz M17 for Windows don't look so good in Linux - mainly spacing issues with CSS, I suspect. What I wonder is why M17 for Linux doesn't seem to have a mail client; I was looking forward to finally having a stable mail client on Linux that could handle multiple accounts.

After all that complaining, the most important comment: congratulations on finally providing a Linux browser that can handle Unicode!!!! Both combining diacriticals and precomposed are working for me (polytonic Greek).

#33 Re: Re: Worse than M16

by emacadie

Tuesday August 15th, 2000 12:04 AM

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Actually, I use Windows. I haven't been able to get connected to the Net with Linux. I haven't tried the email with Mozilla yet.

When I get a new Mozilla build, a few pages with CSS on my hard drive are the first things I look at. So CSS was my main complaint.

Everything looked good with M16. I don't understand why M17 would be worse. Of course, I haven't paid any attention to how Mozilla is being built, I've just tried a couple of the builds. I think I read somewhere that good features sometimes "skip" a release.