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Full Article Attached Astounding Comments From the WSP

Thursday July 20th, 2000

The WSP (Web Standards Project) now states that it is interested in released products more than compliance, and has released one of the most astounding pieces of work I have seen come out of their office.

The WaSP, a pseudonym which speaks for the whole WSP (or at least its leaders) has written a piece taking Netscape to task for failing to produce a browser in the allotted time limit. Click "Full Article..." below to read my response. For the record, I am not an employee of Netscape.


#78 Re: Fantasyland.

by mozineAdmin

Saturday July 22nd, 2000 5:13 AM

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"Horsefeathers. No, it didn't help matters that Microsoft was able to bundle IE with Windows, but that was merely the icing on the cake. Microsoft Money gets bundled with basically every OEM system out there, and you don't see Quicken hurting for sales. IE beat Navigator because IE was by FAR the superior product. Not based on its compliance with a suite of empty (ie: referenceless) "standards", but on the simple grounds that it was faster, easier to use and crashed a hell of a lot less often."

Your attempt to conflate the two entirely different marketing and bundling strategies of Money and IE/Outlook sure makes for interesting reading, but it's not a really good basis for a reasonable argument. Why not argue the facts, instead of making inferences?

Regarding IE being a "better" product, IMO that's just plain wrong. IE/Outlook is the most insecure product on the market, and it has caused more harm to the economy through the horrible bugs exposed in its system (uh, can you say Melissa? Can you say "Love bug"?) than practically any other product on the market. How many man-hours did *Microsoft* lose when Melissa hit its system? I'm sure they'd never quantify it for you.

And you call it a better product?

IE is simply a different product, but in the long run, absolutely no better than Communicator 4.x, even at this point. Its CSS might be better, its DOM might be better, but neither is COMPLIANT, so I don't care whether it's 50% better or 100% better than Communicator. It doesn't matter - the WSP says as much - if it's not compliant, it's harming the market just the same.

Faster? Enough to cause a majority of Netscape users to switch? I don't think so. I think you'll find the majority of IE users have never seen Communicator.

Now, you can complain about Netscape's crashes all you want. IE crashes more on my machine. When Netscape crashes, 9 times out of 10 it's due to the Windows Media Player running. Surprised? I'm not.