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Weekend Discussion: Microsoft and 86%

Friday July 14th, 2000

There has been a lot of discussion about Microsoft's release of IE 5.5 recently, especially in regards to their support for standards such as CSS, DOM, and XML. Apparently Microsoft is developing new proprietary technologies at the expense of standards compliance in core web technologies.

The conversation in the WSP's mailing list has gotten overheated, and the WSP has released a piece on IE 5.5.

CNet is running an article on IE 5.5's proprietary new features, and there's a discussion on Slashdot regarding this very issue.

I now have a weblog at the O'Reilly Network, and you can check out my first piece, devoted to Microsoft's .NET initiative, which hits on Microsoft's standards support.

With all this hoopla aimed at Microsoft, we shouldn't be letting Netscape off easy. I think it's time for Netscape to come out and state clearly where they expect to be in terms of standards compliance at version 6.0. If it is not the 100% that we had been told to expect, it's in their best interest to say why. Remember, Netscape 6.0 will have its own "behavior" implementation (XBL) that is, at this point, just as proprietary as Microsoft's DHTML behaviors (the dev team plans on submitting XBL to the W3C in the future).

And although Mozilla.org has not taken a position one way or another on Mozilla's standards compliance, it would be nice if they could weigh in and let the community know what they're thinking in terms of standards support in Mozilla's first release.

What do you think about standards support and compliance? Is it important? Or should the placation of existing customers be the priority? Let us know!


#21 Who makes the "standards"?

by danielhill <danielhill@hotmail.com>

Saturday July 15th, 2000 5:23 AM

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Who makes the standards? The W3C, right? Who are they? A bunch of companies all with a bone to pick with Microsoft, IIRC. And the token Microsoft guy whose every suggestion is probably laughed at, or ignored.

We have NO idea what goes on in the W3C. It's all behind closed doors.

Maybe Microsoft would follow these standards closer if they had some input, and every thing they put forward wasn't rejected, and they were FASTER at getting them out and finalised.

If we are going to accuse MS of violating standards, I think the microscope should be pointed at Netscape/Mozilla. Is XUL a W3C standard? XBL?

Microsoft's extensions are very good. Behaviours would be useful if Netscape supports them. No company should have to wait for its competitors to catch up.