Weekend Discussion

Friday June 30th, 2000

The weekend discussion returns, with a simple question:

What's your impression of Mozilla's status at this point? Progressing nicely? Faltering? Are you using Mozilla? If not, what needs to be changed before you start using it full time? Try to be specific, and offer constructive criticism and advice. It would be nice if the Mozilla developers could gather some useful information from the discussion. If you haven't tried out a recent nightly build, take one for a spin before you comment.

#80 Mozilla's non profit. Netscape's a company.

by jesusX <>

Sunday July 2nd, 2000 1:04 AM

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Mozilla was created by Netscape. Mozilla is currently the browser BY Netscape. In spite of all the carping about being this and that, is a breeding ground for innovation in the browser space supported by Netscape. There are other companies chipping in with feature support (RedHat, Intel, IBM), but the vast majority of Mozilla contributors are Netscape employees, and Mozilla's direction is being set by Netscape's executive leadership.

Now, quite honestly, I see nothing wrong with that. Not a damn thing. Sure, I disagree with some choices, but guess what, I CAN CHANGE THEM! I can take the source, change what I don't like, and Wham, Bam, Thank you Lizard, I have what I wanted. Not only is Netscape creating a truly original, next-generation browser and over all Internet platform, they're giving it away, soup to nuts. Or in this case, bits to bytes. I can DL a Netscape branded browser (when this is all done and a release is made), or I can DL a Mozilla branded browser, or I can grab the source, and put together my own BoobzBrand browser.

Yes, Netscape is a big corporation. Yes, Netscape is one of the many tentacles of AOL. But guess what, that's OK! It's actually not immoral to make money! But the idea of corporations making profits has somehow gotten tied up in how they do that, and the bad things it can bring. But I for one don't hate Bill Gates for his 50 billion dollars (although I do like being able to say 50 and not 80 any more!), I hate the crap he pulled to get it and the damage he's done.

And I don't hate Netscape for wanting Mozilla to be very marketable with neato spiffy features like AOL Mail integration, or AIM integration, or Winamp/Netscape Radio. They want to garner marketshare, to help push their over all brand and make money. I do the same thing. And any programmer who has put his name on his software, or a designer who has a link to his own business from all his customer's site to his, that's all the same in the end as NEtscape pushing their brand. That's what Capitalism is all about, and that's what Democracy is meant to do, protect rights to do your own thing. And that's why we have laws about how to stop folks who get too pushy. Even Big Billy got a rude awakening, just like AT&T, Nelson Rockefeller (Standard Oil), and various railroads 150 years ago.

Right now, Mozilla is NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME, because it's NOT DONE! When you put a frozen dinner in the microwave, do you stop the microwave half way through and wonder why it's not hot? Do you get to work in the morning, and wonder why you're not already done for the day? No! Things in the universe take time! And whining and moaning about why it's not 100% stable and feature complete months before it's done is stupid.

Just because it's moderately useable doesn't mean it's done. And rather than crying about it, try working towards that goal. When it IS done, THEN it will be stable.

Oh, and to answer the question in short form: If it's not got any features that other browsers have, what's the point in using it? If you want a featureless browser, there are still copies of NS1 and 2 out there in the ether. Go have a ball.