I'm planning on using it full-time once email filters are fully implemented and working. Also... as someone who does web design on a regular basis, it'd be nice to have 8-bit .png alpha implemented on Windoze by the next milestone.

- Bart

I've been building Mozilla daily (on Linux) for a while now. I usually build it first thing in the morning, and use it until it does something too annoying, and then I switch back to Navigator. This usually takes about an hour.

Mozilla generally works well, but the overall feel is still not solid. And it's still noticably slower than Navigator (even with debug of and optimizations on.)

And hey, here's a bug right now -- I'm typing at the end of this text box, and what I type is invisible to me until the line scrolls, at which point it appears. So please pardon any typos. :)

I'd like there to be an option to have Mozilla windows behave like 4.x did. This is where, if you maximize a window, all windows from then on are maximized. And when you close and reopen it's maximized.

I tend to open a lot of windows, and it's annoying to have to keep maximizing them, or when the new window is the size of the screen but a. not maximized b. cascaded off the screen.

I think that if this was implemented it would ease my transition to Mozilla full-time :)

Mozilla needs to get XSLT into the next milestone, and definitely into Netscape's public release. I was at XML DevCon this week (I gave a couple of talks there), and an awful lot of people are asking when mozilla is going to get XSLT support (I gave my presentations on Mozilla - I think I was the only one doing that).

So definitely XSLT support - its really vital to be able to compete with MSIE on this level (and when I say compete, I really just mean to be able to offer the same content to both MSIE and Mozilla - and yes I'm well aware of the MSIE XSLT problems).

SVG is just a nice-to-have. I'm sure it will be available as a plugin very quickly anyway (Adobe's Netscape plugin doesn't work AFAIK). I'd like to be able to do my presentations in SVG rather than HTML because it scales so much better (you never know what resolution the conference's projectors are going to be able to cope with).

Having said all that, I'm using Mozilla every day now. But the developers I know (Hard core XML developers) want to see XSLT badly. I'd also like to see XLink as its an incredibly cool technology (although not a w3c recommendation yet).

Sorry guys, the UI is still a total piece of crap. The xp widgets suck. It is all like a flimsy toy. I can't take it seriously as a professional application. If i load in the preferences panel, it shouldn't take like three seconds for the right panel to appear. If i click on the urlbar it shouldn't take 3 seconds for it to focus.

There is way to much unnescessary css being loaded into each component. The xul source looks like one big sloppy disorganized mess. The UI seems to be getting worse not better.

Posted with 4.x so i can read what i am typing.

This post is just a little tough love. ;-)

pete

I'll use Mozilla, as soon I can do all I do with Netscape.

Until now, I wasn't able to do homebanking with Mozilla at www.sparda-sb.de It was impossible to install the needed plugin. Two weeks ago, they changed the layout of the homepage. Now, I can't get the menu-bar on the left :(

I think, Mozilla will be a good thing in near future

tri

hi all, i download the nightly builds ever night. I realy love them and use them almost for my everyday surfing. What I dislike most is the PopUp Window that comes up when there is a form on a website where i have entered multible Usernames. I like it the way IE does (drop down menue) or maybe have a menue coming up in the Taskbar. I also don't like the "onMouseOverEffect" on buttons and other form fields. Rendering seems to be OK so far, but sometimes the page flashes (i think Mozilla renders it a few times). Mozlla still has problems with some websites i visit frequently (InternetWorld: http://www.internetworld.de MSN: http://msn.de) All in all, rendering could be a bit faster. Oh, and cache is still not working well - it looks like Mozilla loads the page again when i hit the back button.

All in all, good job!

I still like Mozilla.

PhiSch

I've been using the nightly builds of Mozilla for the past few months, since the M15 milestone. It's progressed very well since then.

The M16 release was very impressive. For the first time, most of the basic elements that make a usable web browser were present. Mozilla loaded up within a reasonable amount of time (more quickly than Netscape, in fact.) Scrolling was smooth. Most importantly, html was rendered *very* quickly. IMHO, Netscape ought to have waited for M16 for its preview release :-)

The two main complaints I had were its frequent segfaulting and the broken ftp. The M17 nightlies have gone a long way toward fixing both problems. Stability, while not perfect, has made great improvements in a short period of time - kudos to the developers for this. Ftp is finally useable, despite some remaining hiccups.

There are still a number of rough edges - most glaringly, setting preferences and browsing the filesystem. I'd mildly surprised that these UI-related bugs have survived for so long.

The main concern I have with M17 is that the speed has deteriorated - webpages take a *significantly* longer time to load than in M16. Has anyone else come across this?

Still, things are falling into place very nicely. It's not merely usable now - it's actually a viable browser, and becoming better by the day. Can't wait for 1.0.

Hopefully, someone will eventually hack out a scaled-down, Opera-like version of the Mozilla browser. Now that would be sweet :-)

Its looking pretty good. Progress has been pretty rapid over the past few months, from M10 onward. The core works reliably for what I do and its a lot faster than it was. Still slow, but its been catching up.

My one unfullfilled desire at this point is a functional Java component.

I'm sort of split down the middle on Mozilla at this point. On the one hand, there are a lot of way cool things about Mozilla - like the fact that it can do all this fancy CSS,XML,Whatever-Fancy-Language-You-Can-Think-Of-ML stuff that totally runs circles around gen 4 browsers and even surpasses IE5 in places. Also, I've seen a lot of great ideas here, like the way the interface is *totally* customizable (not easily, but still doable) and the searchy-sidebar panel thingy which lets me get multiple results from various engines (although more variety would be nice.)

BUt on the other hand, it still has some very basic problems that prevent me from relying on it totally...Like the aforementioned absence of Java, plus the fact that it still sin't too terribly stable and has totally random bugs everynn now and then, like the fact that I can't really see what I'm typing right now. A list of things I would like to see before this browser is finished would be: - Java(The plugin tends to go haywire somtimes) support & XSL support - More stability & speed - A lot of bugs fixed. - Maybe an autocomplete feature like IE5, but that's of a slightly lower priority

I've been playing with Mozilla for a few milestones (and nightlys) now and am starting to use it (6/29) as my main browser on Linux.

Unfortunately my main work is still on Windows for a couple of months. The main problem with my switching from IE5 to Mozilla there is lack of information on how to convert my very large set of bookmarks over (I'm managing them with Compass now, which supports conversion to Netscape, but that seems to be different). I'd also like to figure out how to blow away the blasted set of default bookmarks and never see them again as I try out new milestones and nightlys.

I'm sure I could figure out all of this given enough time, but I just don't have that right now.

Well I try to use Mozilla. Really! I do. Sometimes do some bug verifying too. But the thing is that most of the time I only have access to a win98 with 32MB of RAM. Mozilla crawls like a turtle rather than a lizard on this machine. How much faster can Mozilla get (I don't really mind the slow loading time)? If the overall performance and memory footprint will improve to at least NS4.x level I'd use it as my main browser.

I'm clad to see my pages render the way W3C.org says they should render when using Mozilla.

I use Mozilla on and off depending on how annoying any particular day's build is.

Some issues I really would love to have resolved:

SEGFAULT on large PNG files...sux

UI slow and buggy. My custom CSS for mozilla make the UI fly and behave properly. The default CSS for the interface needs a ton of cleanup.

The back button goes to the previous URL rather than the previous browser state. That is not a problem for HTML but using Mozilla on CGI's sux when you want to hit the back button to go to the previous state of the CGI.

Reload page does not reload images. Reloading the URL of an image does not reload the image. Clearing the cache and reloading the image will not reload the image. For site developers it would be nice to have mozilla reload images so we can see the changes made.

Documentation. I tried to add the drop shadow effect for CSS and couldn't decipher where to make the changes in the code. Is there a flow chart or outline of how Mozilla works and what each source file does??

Mozilla is going to rock the web. Let's get this baby to 1.0!

I try to use Mozilla under Linux, downloading the nightly builds every once in a while. I find its feel to be noticeably slower than Netscape. The preferences interface is slow and ugly, and I'm not convinced that the preferences are always saved. And worst of all, it leaks memory like a sieve. I run lavaps, and watch the blobs representing Mozilla grow larger and larger until I finally have to kill the program off to avoid using up all memory (although this isn't much different from Netscape itself).

I'd like to hear people's views on and ideas for the Editor. Is it usable for you? What features do you like / dislike? Would you use it as a basis for your own editing application? Let me know -Brian

I've been trying Mozilla for a few months, M11 the first time, since M13 regularly. The progress was very rapid until now. You can use it to browse every day with it. It is my standard-browser, but for some pages like http://www.ngi.de I can't use it. But most this is a script-problem which sees: a NS browser 4.x or higher and then there are layers used. A few things are ugly: - back/forward in frames (but I heard that it'll soon be soluted :-) - no "File Bookmark..." (but there'll also be a fix in near future) - the performance loading images, loading the browser itself and its components!

Mozilla may be as fast or faster than 4.x when you're using a dual PII with half a gig of ram, it isn't however when you're still on a k6-200 with 64mb. It would be nice if more bug crunching time was put towards the speed and optimisation bugs.

Ok here's my list of issues with Mozilla that keep me from using it 100%. I've been dying to get these off my chest:

1) Bookmark system hardly works (folders simply don't) 2) Mozilla hangs randomly (not a crash) and I have to end task 3) UI is slow as death 4) Bugs with forms 5) Bugs with Javascript 6) Obscene memory footprint (30-50MB) 7) PSM won't remember settings, so I always get those pop-up windows warning me about this and that. 8) Conflict with McAfee VirusScan that occurs a few times a day, forcing me to end task on Mozilla. 9) Having Mozilla running occasionally locks up other programs, which are released as soon as you close Mozilla. 10) Scrolling w/ wheel mouse sometimes causes Mozilla to continue scrolling in that direction (even though you've stopped turning the wheel), until it hits the top/bottom of the page. It's as if it gets "stuck". And scrolling is just slow as death anyways.

I do not use Mozilla for mail, news, or HTML editing. Nor will I be using it for IRC, instant messenging, tying my shoes, or making coffee.

[Posted w/ 4.72 so I can see what I'm typing]

I think Moz is going strong. I think indeed that it's the most successful open source effort since Linux.

All I want to see is Stability and a Release. I could care less about alpha png transparency, XSLT, and all these features that everyone wants. Get a stable browser, with a decent gecko engine - release that, and *then* add all these other doodads. I remember when .x series was released, jpg support! wow. We've got support for so much built into mozilla, let's push it out the door in a stable, usable fashion. Let's kill redesign of implementations - Can you say massive regressions due to the tree widget redesign, or any other redesign? I knew you could.

I'm all for something that works good enough that I can install it on my Mother's computer. She's not going to miss alpha transparancy support if it doesn't make it into the first cut. Joseph Elwell. A Bitter Old Man.

Hi, i've been using mozilla since M14, but haven't used an M17 nightly so far. So, far these are my comments on the Linux version. 1)Speed. I know it's already been said, but filesystem browsing and Preferences are terrible. 2)Bookmarks. I hear this is being worked on though. 3)History. Alright, but any chance of an IE style one? As a sidebar option possibly? 4) Will the editor ever do frames? I'd like it to be my only editor, and thats alll thats missing. Thats it really, and roll on M17!

The most glaring problems with Mozilla is a) the lack of Java on Linux and b) the lack of mail filters. I think I'm one of the few out there who actually liked the mail client on NS 4.X and the fact that I can't filter out the four mailing lists I'm on to their respective mail folders is a killer.

1. Roaming Profiles. I use computers in 3 different locations a day and I want my preferences, bookmarks etc.

2. Strong Crypto. SSL for protecting credit card data and S/MIME for encrypted e-mail.

3. LDAP. LDAP-based addressing as in 4.7+.

Until these features are there IE will kick Mozilla's ass up and down the street on Windows and I'm stuck with 4.7 on UNIX.

Why release a 1.0 if it doesn't support half the features from the 4.x?

Mozilla still crashes way too much. Its a new crash every day.

I like surprises, but not this type. Its still no where near good enough to release. Give it a half-year or so and it should be stable though. But they'll probably release it too early... based on Netscape's track record.

mozilla's default character size is 16pt,and it is too large than that of NC's.

if there is no probrem to use more less size,it should be changed.At least 14pt.

I consider Mozilla to still be in that "we're working on the backend so the UI still sucks" stage, even though I admit I don't keep up development-wise so I'm probably wrong. But it just seems that way. Web pages load great and fast now, and scrolling seems to be fine. What keeps me from using it full-time? The USER INTERFACE. I'm still convinced that XUL or whatever is a good thing, but damn there has to be someway to speed stuff up, or else I don't ever see Mozilla being totally accepted. A few days ago I tried for the first time to use email with Mozilla, and was heart-broken at how long stuff takes to show up. And we all know how slow the preferences panel is. Bottom line to me: better, FASTER UI, now. Someone wake up and realize the Aphrodite package is such a better chrome and should be rolled in (besides the fact that they can't seem to integrate back/forward history... ugh).

The last build I used was Netscape PR1. Two things kill it for me.

1) It's disgustingly obese. It places like 2000 files on the hard drive and takes longer to install then my OS. 2) The launch time very long. I understand it's been improved a bit in later builds.

The UI of course is so flexible it's not even worth mentioning and Gecko itself had very good performance though it had some rendering flaws.

Is the huge file count a sacrafice of XUL or will those be reduced into a few compressed archives or something towards completetion? I'm still looking forward to a release but after house keeping my computer I'm in no rush play with dev software :)

Think the most important thing is speed in stability as far as a browser is concerned. For me, I'd also like to see a much leaner browser. I think maybe as Microsoft continues to spiral out of control with bloat, perhaps people would turn to mozilla as an alternative. I've got a P133, with 48Megs of RAM, and Mozilla basically crawls. Granted it whips up html pages in a flash, but is it really worth it if the rest of my computer drags? (God forbid if I'm playing an mp3 and I have a paint program open at the same time as Mozilla).

Mozilla is really a great browser otherwise. There are a few odds and ends problems but they'll eventually be fixed.

Last but not least... once the browser gets fixed, someone needs to work on the entire e-mail disaster area. It works, but barely. If Netscape has done anything right, it's Messenger, and I'd hate to see it turn to crap.

I use Mozilla every day. It's the first browser I open and I use it till it crashes.

The two things that prompt me to open up a session of N4.7 are: 1) PSM does not seem to work. I can't visit my bank's website and veiw my accounts. 2) Preferences seems to have no effect.

Fix these two things and there would be enough of a browser to prevent the need for me to open another. I'm sure this will happen in due time.

Well I've been using Mozilla since nightlies egan appearing. Right now the main thing that's keeping me from using it full time is proxy authentication (it comes and goes), and bookmarks (which I'm noticing in recent builds is getting better). Since all I use Mozilla for is browsing, I'm 95% there.

I have switched to Mozilla as my main web browser for Linux; I now find it more stable and at least as fast as Communicator 4. On the same machine under MacOS, however, I find it intolerably slow -- noticeably slower than Communicator, and much much slower than IE 5. I expect that a lack of MacOS developers is at the root of the problem, as usual with open source projects. Unfortunately I can't afford Mac development tools myself.

<p>Somehow, Microsoft's IE 5 for MacOS team managed to make a browser that is fast, fits in extremely well with Mac interface expectations, and is generally a functional, highly useable product -- better than its Windows cousin. Without major optimization and UI improvements, Mozilla-based browsers will have a hard time competing against it on MacOS.

Folks,

The negative public consensus regarding Mozilla is mainly towards it's UI. The XUL implemented UI is a joke, continues to be a source of problems, and unless a native UI is constructed then this ill-fated mechanism will be it's down fall.

In addition to to the poor performance, even the default skin is a complete eye sore. The other skins? They're just window dressing... nothing the majority of people would ever use.

Hate to say it... but I told you so... over a year ago.

-Bruce

Hi. I work for a Major US based Merchant bank as Senior Developer within the Technology side of the business. One of our remits it to provide architecture and strategy direction for the whole of Europe, Middle East and Africa. This includes deciding on the web browser installed on thousands and thousands of workstations.

Currently the business supports Netscape 4.08+ and IE 4.01+. Both browsers are old now and major upgrades are desparately needed.

On Friday the 30th of June I was asked a simple question. " Is Netscape 6 ready to go because we can package it up for an SMS drop in the next few weeks, on all the PCs in the regions."

It would have been irresponsible of me to have said anything other than "its not ready".

Right, now I'm gonna let of some steam here as I have kept it to myself for YEARS. I have been doing my best to block the clamouring hoards calling for the business to totally scrap Netscape and move to a single browser base using - you guessed it - IE5. I tell you, it is getting harder and harder every day to convince people that IE5 only is not a good thing.

Ok steam off, constructive remarks.

First and foremost, we absolutely , absolutely MUST get an accetable, released browser out in the world. Not a Netscape-rushed-to-market but-full-of-holes browser but a stable, fast lean, mean killer. Statement of the obvious? Maybe, but it needs to be a mantra. This browser is taking years to come out. If this pace is maintained, have the standards that Gecko supports will have been superceded. No one can hand on heart disagree with that. I know all the reasons for it up to now as I have been a devoted Netscape advocate - and latterly Mozilla advocate - since the source code was released.

I will leave others to elaborate on the problems with Mail and Composer. It is the browser that is crucial to me.

The UI is too rough. If the suits in Netscape think this is gonna do anything other than drive away potential users then perhaps it is time Netsape gave up the ghost and became an entry in the history books. It is slow to load, buggy as a buggy thing and devoid of any of the features most users take for granted. If you want to know what these features are then get IE5 on win32 and look at its interface. That is what you need. Nice to see Ben Goodger is using the IE style forward/back buttons in the classic skin.

A memory footprint the size of king Kong and a ridiculously slow load time needs to be resolved. Gecko used to load like a flash and it used to run fine on low spec PCs. Now it needs shed loads of RAM and CPU speed to run at something approximating NS4+ speeds. NS4 is years old. Moz/NS6 has to run faster than it as a minimum entry point.

The rendering engine has also slowed down a great deal. Pages used to snap in like lightning. Now they take longer.

Bookmarks are often unstable. I personally believe the layout model and feature spec is spot on. What is wrong is that it is slow to reflow and often half the options dont work.

XSLT is something as a developer I would love to see but as a user I can live without. However, I guess the superb work being done to get Transformix into PR2 or Moz 1.0 is running concurrently so it makes sense to go for it.

Basically I believe the feature list required of a 21st century browser is largely in place within Mozila but it needs a lot of polishing and a few additions based on what IE4-5 offers. Specifically I am thinking of coolbars/customisable toolbars, a decent history browser, good print support, full screen mode and tighter integration with other desktop packages.

The great work done by Adam Locke to get ActiveX support into Mozilla is a move in the right direction. Mozilla needs to at least be able to load the likes of Excel or Word in a browser window as Netscape 4 can partially do.

The forward/back buttons need to be totally and consistently co-ordinated with the location box and history.

Auto complete for URLs is here now but it doesnt always allow work properly. It has never been linked to history as it currently only seems to auto complete addresses entered in the current session. Cosmetically I think it have a drop down portion that is always the same width as the text field used for locations. It is coming along though.

Auto proxy is a must for me. I haven't been able to use Mozilla nightlies for over a week when in work because this is broken. It has worked in the past so hopefully it will be fixed permanently.

Sorry if this is down beat. On a more positive note I believe Mozilla has the potential to rock the internet. Developpers are dying for a styandards compliant browser and Moz is the leader. Just get it out before MS do what they do best and steal your thunder...

My main question about Mozilla's development is this: why is it being force-fed the features of a fifth-generation browser before it's even usable? There are so many useless features being shoved onto the codebase, that memory leaks will never be eliminated. They're just getting buried in more features. Mozilla doesn't need features to compete; who's it competing with? Mozilla is supposed to be a non-profit undertaking, so why is it concerned about marketshare-garnering features?

NS 4.xx have the coolest back/forward buttons i can't see any reasons to change layout. Do you know why so many peoples still used buggy NS 4.xx ,becouse it's look very good. SO i see here that mozilla drop nicesest from NS 4.xx, and get worst.

1) Have SSL working in build 2) right click on location w/ menus of copy & paste 3) Have the automatic proxy settings work or just have the manual's non proxy for certain domains work

I'm sitting here reading Mozillazine with nearly flawless rendering, good speed, and fully open source. Darn near 90% of what I want from a browser.

Too bad that what I'm reading with is the old KFM from the KDE desktop. Oh sure, I know that it doesn't even do a fraction of what Mozilla is capable of. Thing is though, it renders basic HTML one hell of a lot better than any of the nightly builds have ever done.

With IE on Windows and Konquerer on Linux all the cross platform widget stuff just isn't feeling as important as it once did. Possibly a good idea over a year ago, but that was over a year ago. The web has moved on and the relevance of Mozilla along with it.

Before the final beta my advice is to: 1. Make the "classic skin" immitate the genuine classic skin of NS 4 almost completely. 2. Push to make the performance and stability as excellent as possible. 3. Kill all the bugs you can.

In my opinion this will probably make the transition from NS 4 to NS 6 much easier for the consumer and the web products the browser is used in will be that much more exceptional.

As a previous Netscape browser user I want a browser that looks like a Netscape product.

I'm wait for good mail and ldap support. I use Ns4.x for mail and browsing. I need this funcionality to make mozilla my default browser.

Ignoring the bugs (I'm using nightly builds), I think the browser is pretty hot now. I did just see it running on Linux though - damn it's slow. On Win32, it seems fine.

The "turn off ads" facility (right-click and "block this image") is awesome. With that feature they might even pick up users from IE. The cookie manager in general is a good feature. Nothing else is really impressive enough to pull IE users, so I hope those features are promoted.

However, almost everything is working now - it just needs to be reliable (by which I mean, as well as bugs being fixed, that menu items shouldn't shift size when you mouseover them; nor should miscellaneous links on some pages; drag-and-drop of links should work every time, instead of some of the time) and integrated (by which I mean, proper Java and PSM out of the box, also the other standard plug-ins).

Finally, the "classic" skin needs to be finished (location box doesn't seem to be done yet, a few other things seem somewhat ropey) and made default. Or another skin needs to be designed, perhaps somewhere between the two - less clunky than those 4.x-style buttons, default status bar, etc etc, but less adventurous than purple circles. I.e., I know this sucks, but it has to be grey. :) Aphrodite is a good model.

Those are the things that need doing before it could be released to users. However, some things need doing from a web developer point of view. In particular, PNG (gamma support works - cool, no more Mac/PC colour differences! - but transparency STILL doesn't). SVG would also be *really* nice since Adobe's plugin is a bit of a dog, but if native support can't be done, I hope a working version of the dog plugin can also be integrated..

As for XSLT.... ugh. Mozilla supports XML+CSS, which is by far the better route for XML presentation. Leave transformations to the back-end.

--sam

I'm wait for good mail and ldap support. I use Ns4.x for mail and browsing. I need this funcionality to make mozilla my default browser.

For me, the major thing keeping Mozilla from replacing Navigator, if not Communicator is that helper apps have to work. My work frequently requires that I open up Postscript and PDF files through the browser, so this is a absolute must for me to use Mozilla as my browser.

Strangely I didn't see anyone even mention this, so maybe I'm missing something in M16.

I've been looking at Mozilla since M7 and I can rightly say there has been a vast improvement.

I would like to see, a beefed up version of viewer.exe that came with early builds that supports JS, and a few more essentials, it was just so damn fast.

I would also like to know just how much speed Mozilla can gain, its getting better but is still fairly poor on my P200. A percentage figure would be nice.

I certainly hope the message is getting through that the ugliness of the present UI is going to be a major handicap to Mozilla's wider acceptance unless it is changed pronto. Users shouldn't have to apply a skin before they get something that looks better than than something designed in Warsaw in 1972. As many have said before, currently the best browser interface is IE5 for Mac. It's a model of understated elegance and beauty. What I find fascinating is how each browser has its own user 'feel', like driving a car.

With regard to this, here's my experience...

On Mac, Netscape is still the fastest and delivers a smooth ride like a Jaguar.

IE is slightly slower (except on the backbutton), and the 'feel' is rather like a rather heavy Cadillac.

The remarkable iCab is as fast as Netscape, and feels kind of light, like riding in an aluminium Mini Minor.

Mozilla is painfully slow and jerky in loading on a modem connection, and the feel is the heaviest - like an armoured personnel carrier with bad tracks.

Open link in new window. Switch back to first window and mouseover on the link you just opened. It magically changes to the 'Visited' color! I think the way Mozilla must improve is to be able to work with the least amount f memory possible. Right now it is slow with 64 megs It would be reall cool if it could work well with 8! Faster, Faster, Faster!

Mozilla NEEDS to do everything 4.x can do, but better. It needs to be as fast as 4.x is or FASTER. It Needs to be much more stable than 4.x is. Once all of these things are taken care of it's time to add all the whiz-bang features, but the other things should be a priority. Unfortunately, it appears everyone is puting their pet features into the programs, and trying to make Mozilla into some kind of super programming platform thing, but first of all it need to be a good browser. Right now it's not.

I've been hoping that everything will start to come together, but it's starting to look doubtful.

Mozilla is great and needs to keep going in a new direction and not be compared to other, older browsers where an html DTD is hard coded in them. The days of html are over. We need a browser that parses XML and uses style sheets properly. We want a lean mean fighting machine.

I donwload the daily build at least every week and I think that mozilla is on the way. But some problems prevent me from using it on a daily basis : the first one is the annoying proxy password bug (mozilla does not make the difference between a proxy password and a web password) and the second one is the memory leaks that force to stop mozilla after few minutes. I think that the mozilla team should focus on bugs and stability points before adding new features. Most people only wants a usable browser, and we all know that features will come

i've been testing Mozilla builds since M9 and I've seen the progressions in the UI and other features..

personally, I like the browser, and the fact that it (i'm running M16) is as reliable as Internet Explorer 5, but the browser has certain flaws...

1. the UI and the widgets! it is nice but it is confusing to new users... perhaps it may be hard to change this at this stage, but UI widgets like buttons should resemble the OS, and the gfx scrollbars should be taken out... (normal scrollbars should be default)

2. plugin support -- where are the music plugins? shockwave? PDF?

3. speed -- especially on Mac OS -- Mac users expect low system requirements so the browser should be streamlined to run faster to compete with Mac IE 5 which is the BEST browser I've seen in a long time.

I showed M16 to my girlfriend, and overall she liked it, but she did have one question: why can't the throbbers work properly?

It was very frustrating to her to click on a link in an Yahoo email or on a web page and sit there with no indication the browser was doing anything, only to discover a few seconds later that the page was mostly loading.

The throbber in the upper right corner consistently fails to move on a link being clicked, and the little progress bar in the lower left corner does the same thing. Is anyone working on this?

hello! i wrote a lot of text a few minutes ago with mozilla m16, i thought it would be really faster than m15.. but then i opened a second window and my system got totally stucked.. i wanted to close the second windows and hit the "quit" button... my text was gone :(

this monkey is way to lame! even compared to netscape 4.7 and i thought it would be lame enough!

i guess there should be something changed. i have to suggestions.. (PLEASE give me some respones to them).

1) make a "mozilla light" version. this should be, what the navigator was compared to the communicator. make a webbrowser only. no email, no news no nothing, give it a FAST and clean gui. remove this sidebar and all this stuff no one needs to simply browse a website!

2) this maybe more interesting (to me ;)) concentrate development on the gecko engine. make it fast.. make it bugfree.. make it standards compatible.. make it ROCK! and then give everybody the chance to develop their own webbrowser, using the same engine. there could be alot of different developer teams working on gecko versions vor win32, gtk and Qt guis. there could be something for everybody! and of course mozilla.org could continue developing the mozilla project. galeon (http://galeon.sourceforge.net) shows, that it's possible and that it's good. i don't know if server are any legal issues? it seems to be allowed to use the mozilla headers to use the gecko engine in own projects. what about changing this code? is it totaly free and opensource? cause if it's allowed to change the code, there could be browsers with a reduced gecko engine to improve performance. please give me some feedback :)

- spark