Its good, but its still got a ways to go.

And the big question I want to know is, after switching to the new skin, how do you get mozilla to load up again? So far using the skin switching has screwed up mozilla on 2 computer for me. It opens webshell 3 and stops working.

If you can resist, I'd suggest NOT trying the new themes. :)

I forgot how ugly motif can be. It seams like under linux the developers took the worst parts of motif and put them into certain parts of the skin. The good points of the skin are. The classic buttons. Those new buttons without text labels and without knowing when you pushed down really suck. The scrollbars, the classic scroll bars are really cool under linux. One thing that kindof sucks is that the old netscape could easily be customized using the .Xdefaults file. Now to change stuff on the classic skin will be much more difficult.

Parts of it look good. It shows promise. It could take a significant amount of time to get it to look good, though, as awful as it looks now.

I was surprised after trying the Classic skin how much more stable the UI *felt* .. I'm not talking about look, but about feel. The modern skin makes the interface feel rather flimsy to me. Maybe it's just a mindset I have from using the 4.x series for so long. Maybe my psyche won't let me accept that a serious program has funky colors like that. What do you guys think?

I felt the same way. Mozilla SEEMED more stable and snappy using the Classic Skin. Whether that's actually so or not, I don't know. I doubt it. The main thing,though, was that it felt like an old friend. Let's relegate the Modern Mozilla UI to a being a secondary skin, and make Mozilla look like a proper Mozilla/Netscape browser!

does the "classic" skin use system colors?

I don't know why, but I just like this classic over the "modern". Maybe it's just the familiarity, but I do agree with the others that say its more snappy. I really appreciate the fact that it now once again uses system colors:) Call it nostalgia

It's GREAT! It's 4.x, but better. Manna from heaven. The bookmarks menu jumps size when I mouseover the longest bookmark name, but I can live with it. I must admit to liking the Modern skin's preference's menu MUCH more though.

Is it just me, or is the Classic font a bit too small?

Will the classic skin soon support system fonts for the menu and such? Right now, it uses the font selected in the Fonts option in preferences. That's fine when I change my font manually in the Preferences, but then it changes the font used on web pages as well. Any end in sight?

<Stupid Question>If I was editing my copy of the skin, how would I set a custom font?</Stupid Question>

Looks good, of course that it is nowhere close to be perfect BUT it looks much better than "new" skin...great!!!

I am getting confused at the separation between Mozilla and Netscape. Are the Netscape looks copyright of Netscape/AOL, and should the skin not be named 'Netscape Classic'? Maybe they can use .png format bitmaps for the secondary skin.

My gripe with the skins, more the Classic than the New, is that the scroll bars a few pixels too wide. Thus size sensitive sites such as www.yankees.com end up having a horizontal scroll bar on 800x600 when there shouldn't be one. Anybody else here want smaller scrollbars? Also, I think the Classic skin takes up a little too much space - the toolbars should shrink a little, and the buttons to minimize the bars should be smaller - on the bar at the bottom of Moz, the button takes up 3/4 the height, thus little saved space...

Anyone have a screen shot?

I actually like the Modern skin better, in the classic skin (at least on Win32) everything seems just a bit too big! I'll just stick to the modern skin, I've gotten used to it long ago and it doesn't really bother me at all anymore.

I think the new skin looks great. I agree it needs some polishing, but it's 100% better then the current Mozilla skin. Plus it should help ease the transition for non-technical users who are currently using 4.X. Keep up the good work.

Dan

I don't know what the gripe is all about, but I don't see anything wrong with the classic skin except for some bugs that needs to be ironed out. Until the bugs are ironed out, I wouldn't start comparing it to the modern skin.

This is what I was waiting for quite a long time. Now users have a choice and I - as many others seem to do - prefer the classic skin. If this has not already happened: make it the mozilla default skin. Is there such a thing as skin voting? How about a new poll concerning skins?

Hi, My name is MacLover and I think the Classic skin SUX. Why can't you have a nice pretty interface with cool aqua widgets? You guys spend far too much time ensuring that the product works, and absolutely no time making sure that it's beautiful eye candy. The rest of the Mac community and I would get together and help in the interface effort as developers for every other platform have done, but it's easier to bitch and whine about it.

-MacLover

is anyone planning on integrating that useless task bar into the status bar (like N4 does)?

guess my main problem is that it's sort of... well cubby.... I take my screen real-estate very seriously and I hate to see it eaten up by all these titanic bars?

um... so when do we get the Netscape 3 skin? always thought the N4 buttons looked hokey, but then again, I'm just evil.

Is/will it be possible to change the Mozilla icon through skins? I'd like the good old 4.x icon to be used for Mozilla when the classic skin is selected. Any chance of that happening?

the classic skin is a work in progress, being constantly reworked by ben. Each nightly is actaully getting better.

Small note to mac people - as I understand, ben is planning a mac version of the classic skin.

small QA note: please don't submit bugs on classic skin, as ben is aware of them already.

thanks!

... a foundation to make my moz even more 4.x-like :-)

How's this look for a rather uneducated fiddle with my chrome dir?

http://sites.netscape.net/hendyaus/myclassic.jpg

<rant> AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Will mozilla ever slim down?!!!!! I mean enough to run reasonably on a 32MB win98 machine?! </rant>

Sorry, Moz just froze, and I can't seem to figure out why. Can't really use it for anything but testing on this machine. Even then, I need to restart it after investigating a bug. Its alpha after all...

Basic

(tired of seeing moz freeze and NS473 crash windows kernel!)

mwahahaha :-)

is the classic skin suppost to emulate moz classic or NS4.x?

Here's a screenshot of Mozilla auto-magically matching my current GTK theme: http://web.mountain.net/~damian/screen-7.jpg

Boy I haven't gotten a nightly in about a month and it seems like the size of the builds keeps growing and growing. I remember in the "early days" when the Win32 zips were less than 2 megs...now they're over 7! I sure hope it's because there's debug stuff in there and that it will be nice and slim when the final release comes out.