BugDay Tomorrow

Monday June 19th, 2000

Asa Dotzler writes, "It's BugDay again! 'What is Bugday,' you ask. BugDay is a collaborative bug hunting, reporting and triaging effort that happens every Tuesday evening on #mozillazine on IRC. This Tuesday we're going to spend BugDay on a couple of different tracks. We've got a lot of new people playing with Mozilla since the release of M16 and that means (we hope) a lot of new contributers to the Community Quality and Testing effort. The first track will be a 'getting acquainted with Bugzilla / Reporting your first bug' workshop for those new to Mozilla. The second track will be a 'Confirm and Verify / keeping the Bugzilla database clean' effort for the regular crew. If you found something in M16 that didn't seem right or you'd like to help us get the flood of new bug reports all sorted out and assigned to the proper developers then stop in to #mozillazine this Tuesday evening (mid day to mid night USA time) and help us make Mozilla better."

#1 a question ?

by Kfir

Monday June 19th, 2000 3:52 PM

In what IRC network is the meeting taking place ?


by asa

Monday June 19th, 2000 3:55 PM

the server is You can also access the channels in Mozilla from the IRC Chat item on the Task menu or buy running mozilla -chat from the command prompt. When using Chatzilla (mozilla's irc client) type /attach moznet to connect to the server then /join #mozillazine

#3 Re:

by Kfir

Monday June 19th, 2000 4:00 PM

10x for the quick answer, may I ask another one, the Bug will be done on M16 or the nightly built ? if it is the later is it going to be the 17th, 18th or 19th built ?

#4 BugDay Wants You!

by asa

Monday June 19th, 2000 4:09 PM

We have work for folks with both M16 release builds as well as M17 cycle nightly builds. The more up to date your build the better. It would be most helpful if you had a build from today or tomorrow.

#6 just come and we will tell you...

by doron

Tuesday June 20th, 2000 5:41 AM

...if today's builds are good or not. It will be in the #mozillazine topic.

#5 I can't make it...

by kolar

Tuesday June 20th, 2000 3:35 AM

but I think I might have a bug. I know this isn't the place for it but I lack the skill to post in Bugzilla. And I will be at work soon adn will be there for most of the day.

Use this as your CSS td { border-bottom : 2 solid Navy; border-left : 2 solid Navy;}

and then create a simple table with a border=0. Nothing shows up like it does shows up in IE, but make the border=1 and then it works, but then you get a nasty gray border.


#9 Re: I can't make it...

by bloviate

Tuesday June 20th, 2000 9:34 PM

This is not a bug.

2 is nothing. 2px is two pixels.

0 is okay.

No other number is okay without units.

The CSS specification can be startlingly illuminating.

#11 sweeeeet

by kolar

Wednesday June 21st, 2000 3:09 AM

thanks for letting me know. :)

#12 CSS validator...

by Silverthorn

Wednesday June 21st, 2000 8:21 AM

Just a note that stuff like that is really easy to mess yourself up on. Running your code through a validator like on can help a lot...

Shawn =)

#7 M16 Crashes (+M17 nightlies) why no linux talkback

by dave532

Tuesday June 20th, 2000 6:51 AM

On my personal Linux machine most of the M16 builds and M17 builds have been fairly stable. However I was working on a machine last week (Linux also) where mozilla was very unstable and crashed frequently.

I'd have like to have been able to produce a bug report for these crashes but were unable to as I was working at the time and I don't think my employer would have been too happy with me spending all my paid time on debugging a crash.

If there was Linux talkback builds of M16 then I would have been able to have provided at least some information to the mozilla team.

#8 Mozilla on Corel Linux

by WillyWonka

Tuesday June 20th, 2000 7:29 PM

I'm happy :)

I got Mozilla running on Corel Linux. It only took me a couple weeks :) What I wouldn't give for an install program which works as easily as windows.

Mozilla is the first non-deb program I've actually managed to get installed on this computer.

Now to get the latest nightly...

#10 Another thumbs down...

by basic

Wednesday June 21st, 2000 1:24 AM

Looks like another thumbs down for NS6 in this article.

Not that I care, but it seems that people expect Mozilla to solve the world's problems.

#13 Fair criticism ...

by MattyT

Thursday June 22nd, 2000 12:10 AM

I think this article was fairly reasoned, even if a bit overboard. NS6PR1 was released too early, he wasn't to know how fast Mozilla is maturing and probably doesn't know a lot about developing software either.

#14 I disagree

by Blake

Thursday June 22nd, 2000 1:23 AM

I disagree that the article was fairly reasoned. Why was the reviewer using a build from over two months ago?He apparently knew about the existence of milestones, and how to obtain them, since he mentioned M16 at one point...he even said that M16 showed an increase in why the heck wasn't he reviewing with that? I guess the argument is that M16 is a Mozilla build, not a Netscape build, and thus you can't review it as being NS 6 (doesn't have the promotional stuff, AIM, etc.) ... still, in that case, I believe the correct thing to do (from a journalistic standpoint) is to wait for PR2 and make judgments based on that. And he could have used M16 to evaluate the parsing and rendering capabilities, since those won't differ depending on comm. or non-comm. builds. This man obviously did not do his research: "There are very few differences between Netscape 6 and Mozilla's Gecko M16, with the obvious exception that Gecko works at about twice the speed." What is he basing this on? Does he give any support to this claim?

This reporter clearly wanted the more sensational angle...namely, to proclaim this as the downfall of Netscape. He also apparently took this opportunity to show off some 'witty' analogies (which got old quite fast). If he didn't know that little about software development and how much an open-source application can change over the course of a "few months," I question his position as managing editor of the Web Developer's Journal.

Here is a man who says he's been a fan of Netscape since day one, and has used NS 1 and every subsequent version. I don't believe this is the case...a true 'fan' would know a bit more about NS6 and Mozilla than this reviewer apparently does, and a true fan would not be so willing to drop a 5-year+ devotion to a company at the sight of a couple bugs. He says preview releases are allowed to have bugs, but not as many as PR1 many alpha releases has this man reviewed in his life to be able to make a comparison?

My thoughts.