Weekend Discussion

Friday March 24th, 2000

Time for another weekend discussion. The question this weekend:

What do you feel is an appropriate level of integration between a browser and an Operating System? And at the other end of the spectrum, what are your feelings about Mozilla's cross-platform approach?

#77 Give me something to work with!

by ttielkes <>

Monday March 27th, 2000 6:34 PM

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The IE4 XML parser sure is shoddy. It was released some time before the W3C XML 1.0 and DOM1 specs, IIRC.

And yes, the (dataChannel) Java parser sucks arse. It always has.

What I want to say is: IE4 offered pretty strong (pre-W3C) XML support back in 1997. I am the the last person to say that it was perfect. But it *was there*, for people to play and work with, and learn about XML and it's uses!

I don't see how loading/saving/POSTing XML isn't part of *a workable browser implementation* of DOM1. The DOM1 spec explicitly states that some (crucial) functionality in not included in the interfaces. Perhaps I should say: "Why is there work being done on DOM2 if there are no ways to use the DOM1 functionality?"

I know jack about XUL.

I want to build simple UIs working through the HTML DOM1. I want to use XML as a data format using XML DOM1. IE4 did all this, be it in a time when XML and DOM specs weren't out yet.

IE5 does all this *now*, using both W3C HTML DOM1 and W3C XML DOM1.

I want my (little) apps to work on Mozilla. I don't mind to write wrapper methods in ECMAScript because IE5 wants to hear "oDom.load(url)" and Mozilla likes "oMozDom.loadXMLformURL(url)".

I want to work with Mozilla, and I want Mozilla to work. The Microsoft IE team (through documentation, articles, samples) shows to me a clear vision of XML as the *de facto* data container/format of the web. That, and HTML DOM1 is all I need.

If Mozilla can give that to me I'll follow it to the end of the world ;-)