Weekend Discussion

Friday March 24th, 2000

Time for another weekend discussion. The question this weekend:

What do you feel is an appropriate level of integration between a browser and an Operating System? And at the other end of the spectrum, what are your feelings about Mozilla's cross-platform approach?

#22 integration

by Kovu <>

Saturday March 25th, 2000 4:15 PM

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Some of us seem to be getting confused with this whole "integration" concept. Integrating e-mail, newsgroups, and Web page development is not the type of integration being discussed here. It's perfectly fine for applications to integrate with other applications, that's not the issue.

As far as IE's integration, that's with unrelated .dll files for the most part, just to make it so deleting IE "breaks" the OS and thus proves MS's argument in court. Period. IE3 and before were a completely separate program and didn't botch up your OS like win98. If Windows 95 wasn't missing so many UI features I would run it instead. And if someone would finally release a program that automatically removed IE (like Win98 lite, but easier) from the OS I would use it in a heartbeat. I think that should be part of any settlement in the trial -- make that program fully available.

And any cool "features" that IE has are UI-related Windows-ONLY (or Mac-only) features that have nothing to do with how good the application IE, which amounts to a broken, proprietarily jaded version of Mosaic, is as a standards-compliant Web browser. Netscape can add UI features at any time, what matters now is making the Web browser fully functional so that there's a user market for these great new features.

As far as Windows Update goes, that is an application that checks the Internet to see if what's on it matches the OS. It should be considered an application, not part of the OS. This integration thing is crap. Integrate applications with other applications, fine, but keep your applications out of my OS. Anyone who has used an Amiga and seen the thing reboot in 10 seconds knows what I mean. Windows is an ugly, bloated nightmare, and was BEFORE IE came along. Now it's only gotten worse.