Weekend Discussion

Friday March 3rd, 2000

This weekend's discussion: What keeps you interested in Mozilla, and what expectations do you have?

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#22 Re: Interesting...

by danielhill <>

Saturday March 4th, 2000 6:47 AM

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I'm referring to IE5 here, although most things apply equally to IE4, since IE5 was just a bug fix and spit-and-polish job.

"I can't switch to IE, because I find practically everything about it insulting -- from its interface to its error messages. I have to have it on my machine (I run Win98), but I refuse to run it (except when testing site designs)."

I do find IE insulting. The status messages are useless. The error messages are terrible, you can't tell what failed with connecting to a site (DNS or connection timed out).

"I hate that they lump together plugins and activex controls under the same security designation (Run ActiveX controls and Plugins) -- resulting in a dialog box every time a page with a plugin comes up (because I refuse to give ActiveX controls free reign over my machine)."

Add Java applets to that group as well. I let ActiveX controls run, I just don't allow them to automatically download. ActiveX controls are similar to plugins from a security standpoint - they are both native code, and both can be automatically downloaded (with NS SmartInstall, which was rarely used :( ). That dialog box is an absolute pain, and totally useless.

"The UI is inane (what the hell is up with that little e-over-a-page icon that's in the URL bar (where it performs one action) and in the IE equivalent of the personal toolbar (where it does nothing, but is there for looks), and in the status bar (where it does absolutely nothing, and has no reason to be there). And the gray toolbar icons which becomes colored _upon rollover_? Jeez..."

I disagree with the points in this paragraph. The 'e' icon in the URL bar is similar to the bit of paper next to the NS4 one, it's just inside the text field, not next to it. You can drag that into your Favourites, on the desktop, into another window, or onto the Home button to set your homepage.

The links bar is exactly the same as the Netscape one, but can be 'minimised' to provide a drop-down bar. Drag it right up against the Address bar on the far right hand side. There will be a drop down arrow you can click, and that will drop your list of links in that bar.

As for your point about the toolbar rollover, NS4 does something similar, it's made brighter. Personally I like the rollover effect.

"From months of seeing security bugs found in their mail system -- partially due to IE's tight OS integration -- I refuse to use their default mail reader (can you say Melissa?)."

This is a difficult one, it's partially true. But it's not Outlook Express that causes the problems, it's Word. Clueless newbies open Word documents from unknown sources and ignore the macro warning. Melissa was just a fabricated, overblown story by the media.

The same thing could conceivably happen with Netscape. By the way, neither OE nor O2000 are any more integrated into Win98 than Netscape Messenger resetting my MAPI preferences.

"I don't find its supposed CSS and other standards superiority to be of sufficient benefit to warrant a switch, because as any simple testing shows, 5.5 doesn't even live up to Mozilla's standards support at this time (try it on David Baron's CSS test suite), or on one of the DOM test suites out there. And partial implementation, as I have stated in the past, is still a hindrance to standardization."

Netscape 4 is disgusting in this regard. You can't do simple rollover tricks with table cells. That's one of my favourite effects, but NS4 won't have a bar of that. NS4's renderer is slow, outdated and need of a revamp.

Which is exactly what Mozilla is. That's why it's important.

Just like the world needs a second superpower to keep America in check (you can tell I'm not American), the browser world needs another superpower. As I see it, Netscape is akin to Russia - has potential, but massively outgunned by America (Internet Explorer).