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Our First Weekend Discussion

Friday February 11th, 2000

I've decided to try something new at MozillaZine: a "weekend discussion". Every Friday, we'll have a forum on a topic of interest to Mozilla users and developers. Hopefully it will generate some interesting conversations.

This week's topic is "Web Standards". What are your feelings about the current standards "process"? About Mozilla and its standards support? About what standards Mozilla should support in the future? I'm also interested in getting some opinions from Mozilla developers on this issue. How do they feel about being the "guinea pigs" of the standards process, being the first to implement standards specifications and also being the ones to deal with the vagaries and inconsistencies between revisions in the current specs? How are developers feeling about Mozilla's standards support so far?

Our forums are quite civil, so don't be afraid to speak your mind. We'd love to hear what you have to say. Just click the "responses" link below to get started.


#27 Standards: The webs blackhole of Cofusion

by DTHML_Fiend

Friday February 11th, 2000 9:59 PM

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Well as far as the standards "process" goes, I think its horrible. Now this isn't to say that the people that define the standards are unintelligent, but its that only x number of people are allowed to define them if they pay a huge sum of money and then the standards making process is entirely secretive. I mean come on, you'd think they were designing secret military weapons of mass destruction. And then the fact that almost ONLY big businesses have any outside influence. Now you can't tell me that all those businesses don't have all their secret and alterer motives to have the standards conform to whatever new product, etc, they are coming out with. And then I saw that they TradeMarked the word XHTML and I almost spit my pop all over my monitor. Now when the heck did the W3C think it became a big business... I can imagine 5 years down the road Bill Gates giving an anonymous sum of money to the W3C for ths new standard MSHTML.

But enough with the process... I believe the real root of the problem is that no one really understands the whole picture of the defined standards. And in fact i've seen quite a few acticles about some of the standards where its very visible that they don't know what they hell they are talking about either. Heck I don't even have anything close to a full understanding. Because lets see we have HTML4, XML, XSLT, X... (5+ more xStandards), DOM1, DOM2, CSS1, CSS2, CSS3 (which has a lot of "sub" standards) SMIL, MathML, WPL, and I figure I've missed 6+ more standards and that is just one huge mess. I mean then a developer also needs to know, asp, php, sql, javascript, vbscript, perl, and webserver configuration... And well my head's about to explode. Don't get me wrong I see a lot of power in the current standards and I believe there is probably a lot more power than any one has imagined.

But they define a standard behind closed doors then one day decide its a spec and then they throw it out to the public with few example and almost no reference for the implementation. And then phew Browser's makers and developers are expected to pick it up and use it like it was the best thing since sliced bread....

Anyway I'm rambling..., -DHTML Fiend