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Tree Closed for M13

Wednesday January 19th, 2000

The tree has closed for M13 stabilization, so we can expect to see an M13 build show up sometime within the next week or so. There has been a lot of work done over the past few weeks, and I think a lot of people will be happy with the progress they see in the final M13 binaries. Keep an eye out here for news and more of what to expect in M13.


#69 Re: Re: Moz is trash!

by Ugg

Saturday January 29th, 2000 2:13 PM

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"What I will say is that maybe you expect too much from the UI. UI is very important but it's not the number one top issue here, other things like XUL, rendering, and DOM far out weight the fact that prefs might not always work."

Let me tell you a little story about the UI, yes?

When I launch Moz to test some of my page code - CSS being one thing it seems to handle pretty well, which Communicator 4.6 does not - the normal thing to do would be to open the file. Quick keyboard shortcut, a little OS-native file browsing, and voila. Unfortunately, if this works at all, it crashes. Same if I use the menuitem manually. So, I try opening my hard drive as a directory and drilling through it to find what I want. No good; half of my folders don't show up, for some reason. So I have to type the entire damn path into the location bar.. which takes longer than it should, because the location bar doesn't edit cleanly. Once I've done this, if I try to bookmark the file to save myself future hassle - something which I've been able to do in every other browser I've used - it won't bookmark it. In fact, it won't bookmark anything.

This is not a minor UI quibble or glitch, in my mind. When I have to bend over backwards just to open a file on my hard drive, this is a significant problem.

Prefs? It's not a case of "might not work".. it's a case of "doesn't work". In fact, the majority of new windows don't work. This is, again, a serious problem.

"Maybe part of your instabilty problem is the result of a less then stable OS."

My system is plenty stable. It runs for weeks without going down, as long as I'm using apps which I know to be stable themselves.

"I know as a developer that being told that your product is shit by people that don't have all the facts in hand really sucks the will to develop right out of ya..."

...and I know that as a user, being told that a product is great when it clearly isn't really sucks the will to evangelize right out of ya.