Tree Closed for M13

Wednesday January 19th, 2000

The tree has closed for M13 stabilization, so we can expect to see an M13 build show up sometime within the next week or so. There has been a lot of work done over the past few weeks, and I think a lot of people will be happy with the progress they see in the final M13 binaries. Keep an eye out here for news and more of what to expect in M13.

#40 Moz is no trash!

by Mazen <>

Saturday January 22nd, 2000 7:55 AM

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The importance of the UI and other visible aspects of Mozilla is that they are the first things people see. People want a stable, usable browser. Most people don't care to try the nightly builds twice a week, and they don't bother to forecast that stability is coming. "Mozilla is still unstable", they think.

In my mind, the importance performance of the UI can be summarized as follows:

== We want Mozilla to succeed.

=> We want Mozilla to be used by a large number of people.

=> We need the press and users who bother to download Mozilla to spread the good word.

== The press and most users who are not "committed" to Mozilla are most impressed by UIs and most annoyed by instability.

== The press and most users do not complain as loudly about standards as they do about the UI.

== The press and most users will compare Mozilla with Netscape and IE.

== Magazines like to print screen shots with arrows pointing to "nifty" UI features.

=> The success of Mozilla is sadly more closely tied to "cool" than to "important" features.

>> THEREFORE: Much attention needs to be given to the UI and to stability.

Most users don't know what XML, SSL or CSS are and they don't care. They don't mind waiting four months for Mozilla to support a three letter acronym that they don't understand, but they do want a browser soon. In the mean while, they are getting more comfortable with IE.

Standards are important to developers like myself, but all the standards in the world won't help the user base is tiny.