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Tree Closed for M13

Wednesday January 19th, 2000

The tree has closed for M13 stabilization, so we can expect to see an M13 build show up sometime within the next week or so. There has been a lot of work done over the past few weeks, and I think a lot of people will be happy with the progress they see in the final M13 binaries. Keep an eye out here for news and more of what to expect in M13.


#34 Moz is trash!

by Ugg

Friday January 21st, 2000 4:26 PM

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I'd like to know what people are getting so excited about; milestone after milestone gets released and I rarely, if ever, see any improvement from a user/web developer standpoint.

People talk about stability; my copy of M12 dies at the slightest wrong touch. People talk about "dogfood"; the Netscape people must have iron dog stomachs to use a product for any length of time that doesn't do anything right EXCEPT render pages. Form menus, contextual menus, prefs; all of these open useless blank windows. It doesn't remember window placement, bookmarks, toolbar settings, etc., thereby forcing me to reset them with every relaunch and pray it doesn't go down when I do. Every time I try to write some neat high-tech content, I run into style bugs, or JS bugs, or display bugs, or gods know what else.

(Ugg rants at some length. Moz still has a LOT of problems.)

I'm well aware that Moz is still at pre-alpha status, and that it's expected to be buggy and feature-incomplete. But to hear people talk about "possible alpha" and "dogfood" and "branded public release" and "a lot of improvement" makes me laugh; showing this to the public would drive people to MSIE as surely as if a cattle prod were used, and I'm certainly not impressed.

I have always been a Moz supporter, and for the forseeable future I will continue to be a Moz supporter, but personally, I'd like to see a lot less back-patting and meaningless milestone releases and a lot more getting the bloody thing to work halfway right.