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M12 Out!

Tuesday December 21st, 1999

M12 is now out. Get it from the FTP site. It might be a little difficult to get in. If you have a mirror site, let us know in the forum, and we'll add your info to this news item.

So far there are releases for Mac, FreeBSD, Sparc Solaris 2.7, Windows, OpenVMS and Linux.


#71 Actually, I think *you're* missing the point...

by beej <bdery@ualberta.ca>

Monday December 27th, 1999 11:20 PM

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The current incarnations of Mozilla aren't finished, aren't beta, aren't alpha - hell, as far as I've seen, they don't have a proper designation yet. Therefore, I wouldn't expect the browser to work perfectly at this point. As for testing, there are releases almost every night, so you can't expect a developer to sit down, design a new feature or fix a bug, then rigorously test that feature or bug, and then get that feature or bugfix into the nightlies for everyone to enjoy. Stablity takes time. I've also found based on the testimony of others in this forum that releases will run differently under different systems. Under Windows, I found one nightly release to be act differently than the same release under Linux. I'm not sure why that is, but I'm pretty sure it's a *system* thing, not a *Mozilla* thing. I am not a coder. I hate coding. Despise it with a passion. This is why I respect anyone who can sit down and do it. I respect them even more if they can do it well. And if you can do it as well as you say, then please join the team and find a way to contribute with your skills. I'm not doing any coding, nor am I submitting bug fixes (though I should be... ^_^), but you'll also find that I'm not complaining about my browser when it doesn't work the way I want. Here's a good example: since M9, I would head to The Register and find that after the page loads, I'm greeted with a grey screen. Fine, I say - let's resize the window until it shows up. Do I expect the bug to be fixed? Not if I don't report it. Will it take time? Yes, but personally, I'm too lazy to run to BugZilla and file it. Therefore, if it never gets fixed, I'll take it as my fault and feel really bad about it. My point? You lose the right to complain about something being done badly if you have the ability to fix it yourself. Just like in poilitics - if you don't vote at all, then you can't complain when the guy you liked the least won by the vote you could've struck against him. Take the time and file the bugs. Or take the time and join the coders. Then when it doesn't work right, feel free to tell us how disappointed you are.