This is the most stablest and most responsive build of mozilla yet. I'm using Dec 10 linux build and Its fast. I haven't gotten it to crash yet. Not even after an hour of browsing. This is definately alpha quality maybe even beta. There are much fewer bugs and mozilla has replaced netscape as the browser I use.

Frame targets aren't working still. I sure hope this is fixed by the 15th.

Also, in the last couple of days, as the page is downloading, it erases the entire screen and paints it again, what is that? I've never seen it before in ANY build.

The article states that the second setting "sets the time between reflows in microseconds." Just a guess, but I'm thinking that's probably supposed to be milliseconds.

I don't know what happened on december 8th, but the change in mozilla is striking. I made a post about the linux version of mozilla being unusable and very far from alpha. I take that back. The latest builds are _awesome_ in their improvment, including speed, stability, cleanliness, and useability. I _still_ can't log in to my news server, but that's the only dogfood issue (besides plugin support) that I've come across.

Bravo!

Hi,

For some reason, Linux's nightly is still Monday. They've been building new ones, just not putting them in the right place. Try here for Dec 11:

ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/1999-12-11-08-M12/

Hello,

I've been testing Mozilla since... M5 I think. I've made it a habit of pulling down daily builds for Win32 and Linux.

At work, on my 133, 150, and 200 systems, it's pretty solid. The Win version seems a bit better (as of a week ago) but both are great.

But... On my system at home, I launh Moz, walk away for 2 minutes, and it's HISTORY. It ALWAYS dies.

My home system is an SMP Celeron w/ a voodoo3 and 128MB RAM.. I've used RH6, RH6.1, Mandrake 6&6.1 as well as Debian potato (what I'm using today)

The only dif. between my work system, that reliably works for hours at a time, and my home system is that I have an SMP here. Has anyone else had this problem? Do I need to compile it myself?

Thanks for any insight,

Ben

I can't tell a significant boost in Mac performance from a week ago, although the preferences dialog looks a lot better, I thought for a second I was using Communicator's. One thing that has happened recently is that when I use the Mozilla Installer app to convert my NS 4.61 profile, it converts it but then says there is an illegal character in the Mozilla User Preferences and the profile is unusable. This is strange because it converted the same profile about a week and a half ago fine.

Also, is the Preferences->Appearence->Themes function supposed to be working. I can't see any changes.

Finally, ANY developers out there PLEASE, PLEASE add a keyboard shortcut for View Page Source (Like Apple-U). This is something that has been missing for a while. If a big feature of IE 5.5 is "Print Preview" you could probably put a new version number on Mozilla if you add this feature!

Michael

I was pleased to find that my wheel mouse suddenly started working. I can not scroll up and down several lines at a time. However, it still doesn't do quite everything I have Netscape configured to do. When I hit control-up/down, it moves by screenfuls; when I do meta-up/down it moves forward/back in my history list (like the green arrows). Does anyone know if it's possible to configure things that way, or if the developers are planning it?

Incremental reflow is a very important feature. Now I would like mozilla to download and display all the text before any graphics.

Yes, it does look interesting. I will download this build right now, while I have lunch.

... the Golden Age of Mozilla.

Usabilty-wise it may have taken a while to get going, but based trivialness of most of the above complaints/requests (no offense to any of these posters, this is a good thing), I would say mozilla is doing pretty good. When your biggest usabilty concerns are all interface related, blue skies are in sight. I can't wait to make all the IE fans at school eat their words with a shovel.

Owwww man im loving this. A while back the question was asked, what do you think could be a show stopper for the alpha release. Now i know alpha means big bad bugs, and i was more then willing to live with that, the performance however was a showstopper for me. The new releases however are more then up to speed! they could use some optimasations im sure, but its acceptable already for me! Great going mozilla team! your doing one hell of a job

Is the proxy working yet? Because otherwise, I can't try it at work.

What's the difference between mozilla-win32-installer.exe and mozilla-win32.zip? (Other than the obvious, that one's an executable and a lot smaller...)

Thanks.

I'm still having problems with news authentication for linux. The login/password prompt comes up briefly, then it disappears and it says "authentication failed." I would put this in bugzilla but I don't have a password. Is anyone else in linux getting this?

Thanks for the explanation -- that's kind of what I'd figured, but I appreciate having my assumptions verified. I'm used to the zips, so that's what I downloaded, but maybe next time I'll give the installer a go.

1999121208/Windows is awesome -- I can't believe how much faster it is! :)

Will Java be enabled in the alpha? I just installed the JRE and ran a program using it, but mozilla still shows a gray box labelled Applet in the banner ad space. It should be showing the monkeys bouncing around (I don't mind the fact that, that particular banner ad didn't display, but I would like to see some Java working in the builds)

I'm using the nightly build for linux to post this. It's looking really good. Most of the bugs are UI funkynes, it's only blown up on me a couple of times when i tried to preview some Chrome or something. And it is FAST. Can't wait to try out the next milestone build. Congratulations to the Mozilla team. Looks like you're going to have an awesome browser. Which is something linux desperately needs. Did i mention it's really REALLY fast?

I just downloaded build 1999121314 for Win32 and I have found Mozilla loading pages so quickly that I thought it was raiding my NC cache *grinz*

Ah Well, I haven't had time to test stability, but I've never had stability problems in the past :)

only annoyance is that I can't use the arrow keys in text entry boxes (like this one) - is this a known bug as I don't have a bugzilla account yet :P

Good Work Guys :)

Does anyone have M1 and M2 (win32) lying around somewhere? I'm interested in comparing all the milestones.

Basic

For those who are worried about memory footprint and whatnot. Checkout

For linux, not very good news:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7623

and on mac:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20743

For mac mailnews should shrink by about 20% in beta according to this bug:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7620

for win32 (though I think they affect all platforms):

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21468

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11935

for all platforms:

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15755

Basic

Has anyone else seen the download dialog box display: Percentage downloaded: 105%

Also, I've noticed some dancing text boxes When Javascript is used to tally up quantities in online stores. (It doesn't draw the text boxes in the correct place at first, and then you see them move. When the javascript is polling, it keeps redrawing the text boxes the same way)

I was unable to get M11 to launch on my Mac so in preperation of M12, which sounds like it's much improved over anything before it, I want to prepare my system to maximize my success rate. I know that certain files like the Mozilla registry and users folder should be removed but just to make sure I didn't overlook something can someone please tell me anything I should look for an rid myself of? Any pref files, aside from Mozilla Registry? How about the Netscape Registry? Any hidden files that may have not been deleted for whatever reason I should look for? Folders? I just want to cover the bases. Any Netscape files that can cause trouble with Mozilla? I've got the latest Communicator. Thanks.

According to the mozilla.org schedule page http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/milestones/index.html M12 will be "on the wire" today (12/15, that's 15/12 for europeans). What does that mean as far as when we will be actually able to download builds? Today, or just "real soon now"? I haven't been following the schedule of previous milestones, so I was just wondering...

Thanks, Stuart.

I tried the forum at http://www.animeondvd.com (which didn't work with the 1202 build I tried last time due to some problem w/ cookies or something weird) and it now does work... almost. At least, it now remembers my login, unfortunately whenever I try to post I get "Posting error - please contact your admin" (this is an http page sent out by the forum software, not a Mozilla error).

Anyway, it's looking a lot more like usable now, once they fix the obvious keyboard-control problems (arrows in forms and tab).

--sam

wow so many posts-and no anon posters! m'zine is doing quite well

Hmm, Setup the proxy in prefereneces. Didn't save the first time. Second time it did save. Verified in \user50\pref.js Restarted Mozilla as it didn't pick up the change till boot.

Problem is I get... Error 407Invalid Userid/Password,please try again! Argh!

Also, can't shop via Mozzila very annoying! Speed is GREAT!

Debian just put out an M12-pre package, and the most noticeable things (apart from the cool responsive page-loading, still punctuated by some annoying pauses for reflow, though:( ) are some regressions since M11 - there seem to be some issues with transparency causing the toolbar and MozZine's header to look ugly (are they working on getting true alpha support? That would be WORTH graphics corruption... wow). It looks like when there's a transparent image over an image background, the background is replaced by random stuff.

Other observations... I noticed a theme selector in the preferences dialog... not yet implemented but that will be *cool*. The editor has funny behavior the first time it's clicked, although that was the same in M11. Arrow keys in forms seem to work although backspace sometimes deletes the wrong character... however, it does feel a lot more *solid* than M11 - stability and responsiveness are way up.

Way to go mozilla team!

For the the last several days I've been having problems dowbloading the nightly builds. At the end of a download (several bytes short of being complete) the process halts, and the file ends up being invalid zip file. I am using an NT system to download win32 builds. It happens regardless what machine and browser I use, so that makes me think the problem is on the mozilla.org's side.

I am now running apprunner for the first time on FreeBSD since pre M10.

I am a very happy camper.

I am submitting this via mozilla!

yea baby!

But various things about hte keyboard remain hosed ... (Alt-V to paste selects _V_iew on the menu. Arrow keys don't work and paging with PgUp PgDwn appears broken. Emacs keys (Ctrl-A , Ctrl-E, etc) and mouse selection don't work yet or any more either.

But it's much more stable and renders faster.

This CGI (AnyURL) is doing strange things for me (the POSTed data doesn't get flushed or something)

http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/toga-tao/AnyURL.html

Keep in mind that milestones are really just a sort of checkpoint. The goal of a milestone is to pause just long enough to see what you really have. Development on M12 is pretty much wrapped up. I think that M12 is branched and in a "clean-up" phase and M13 work will begin today (I may be wrong, feel free to correct me if you have better information.) So if you grab a nightly M12 build from today or yesterday, you're probably getting a very close approximation of what will be called the official M12 release (note: the morning windows build from the 15th and the evening windows build from the 16th are pretty solid). But if you're like me and you need to be on the bleeding edge (and you don't mind spending 30 minutes to download a build that may not work) you'll be grabbing that first M13 nightly.

posted with mozilla win32_121508 Asa

Mozillas perfomance has improved a lot, so I decided to use mozilla from now on as my everyday browser. Even if already said a hundred times here, the most important stoppers are still: - paint errors (Linux), - slow typing (and navigating in forms/mails) - slow mail/news - memleaks (not everybody has 2 Gigs RAM)

Keep up, the good work